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It raises a lot of questions,


...but doesn't answer any of them. And that bothers the hell out of me. Who exactly werw these other guys, why did they want to destroy us, and in such a horrible way? What really happened to their own planet, their race? Why did they build these outposts we see Shaw and others wonder around in? And so on...
Covenant clears the picture a bit, but it's all still too foggy to be a good movie. Why even make it? It's like watching a single episode with a continuous storyline. All we know is that we were created by some guys who then suddenly decided to kill us. Yes, great storyline, great plot, good job.
They should've hired writers with better imagination.

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The problem with Prometheus' premise is that it wants to reinvent the narrative established in the first movie from '79.

What made "Alien" work is that it's a horror film at its core. It's not trying to be philosophical or even scientific. At its core it is about the frailty of humanity in the face of pure horror. Prometheus, the previous sequels, and the its successor "Covenant" are nothing more than origin stories in the same vein as all of those stupid Egyptian "Mummy" movies (take your pic) where they try to explain the origins of the horror of the mummy. Tie-in the "Ancient Aliens" nonsense and you have the end result of this movie.

Some people find it fascinating, but I found it utterly predictable and played out.

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You are wrong. This is because you are dumb.

Alien was not a horror film to it's core, it was a philosophical sci-fi film. Aliens was a horror/action film.

You did not pay attention to the dialogue in Alien, especially by the android, and you don't understand evolution. This is because you are dumb.

Alien was about the "perfect organism". The xenomorph is the "perfect organism". It is better than humans. If you consider that what we call "morality", "creativity", "emotions" etc. are all evolutionary adaptations to increase an organism's survivability, the moment these features are not necessary or "better" features become available (in terms of survival utility), those evolutionary features become obsolete by comparison. THIS is the message in Alien, and this is why it became a cult classic. It did not become a cult classic because of dimwits like you.

Prometheus and Covenant carries on with the theme and explains "why" the xenomorphs were created and does a psychological exploration of their creator. Ofcourse I don't expect dummies like you get it. You just watch movies like Aliens, it caters to low IQ people like you.

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Alien was about the "perfect organism". The xenomorph is the "perfect organism". It is better than humans. If you consider that what we call "morality", "creativity", "emotions" etc. are all evolutionary adaptations to increase an organism's survivability, the moment these features are not necessary or "better" features become available (in terms of survival utility), those evolutionary features become obsolete by comparison. THIS is the message in Alien, and this is why it became a cult classic. It did not become a cult classic because of dimwits like you.



WRONG! What you just described was Science Officer and clandestine android mole Ash's interpretation of what the Xenomorph's morphology represented to HIM. The HORROR of Alien is that nobody can hear you scream in space when encountering an unknown predator. Ash's so-called philosophy is nothing more than a didactic rationalization by an artificial human service engine justifying the disregard for human life. The fact that the Yutani Corporation was willing to sacrifice the crew in favor of an Alien life form was another layer of horror revealed to the audience in the latter part of the film.

As for Ridley's prequels, that's nothing more than a commercial money-grab and his utter lack of creativity by injecting Erik Von Donekan's "ancient aliens" mythos into the mix doesn't add to any ulterior storyline missed in the original.

It's no wonder crappy cinema can exist and procreate in today's society with illiterate fanTARDs like you keeping it alive

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Sorry to burst your over-inflated bubble but nothing you have stated changes the fact that "Alien" is a horror movie.

If you go to IMDB it is clearly categorized as horror/sci-fi not philosophical as you contend. Calling me dumb only pushes your argument into the gutter of unoriginal thought as you clearly are ignorant of philosophy and can't even link its relevance to your own argument.

Btw, Prometheus and Covenant offer nothing to the audience explaining the reasons behind the creation of the Xenomorphs who clearly existed before defective David started doing his own thing.

Now please kindly go back to your drug-induced stupor and come up with a better argument, or in the least come up with more creative ways to insult me. Calling me dumb is like hearing a baby crying at me!

LOL!

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Oh look, an account created solely to create an anti-Prometheus topic.

You must be bored. Still. LOL

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I was quite active on the IMDb message boards, but then they closed them. Just now I accidentally stumbled across a recommendation to move on here where the message boards have been copied and discussions are active as well. This is just the first one ;)

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they didn't intend to answer any of the questions. Not only that but the 'answers' that would never come were heavily used to bait people into watching this movie, into buying it on video and to go see the sequel, which is beyond despicable.

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What's more intriguing is how humans have been able to stay alive this long given the extreme level of stupidity and incompetence exhibited by each and every one of them, including David. Even more poignant is that these are supposed to be some of the creme of the crop, so what level are Joe Schmo's back on Earth operating?

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The movie tells the story from the p.o.v. of the crews (except the prologue scene) who are exploring the unknown in some darkest corner of the universe. The set of crews can't readily get all the answers to some place with an Alien technology so incomprehensible. The audience knows just what the crews knows. And that's the true premise. If the mystery is answered, its not a mystery anymore.

The outposts does seem like a place where they'd manufacture their version of biotech products....may be life creating goo (the one which we see in the opening scene) or the mutant black goo. For thousands of years, Engineers used to come from their home world to LV_223 and depart to various planets to seed life & terraform. They even shared their location in good spirits to people on Earth. Something happened and they changed their minds and turned the facility into making the Black goo weapon.

There's no information from the movie why the Engineers changed their minds and what happened to their home world and why they wanted to destroy Earth. You can form your own interpretation.

I don't think Alien: Covenant shed any more light on the questions raised by Prometheus. Instead, it intensified the mystery. I also don't think that the planet in Covenant was the home planet of Engineers. I think it was just some planet where the Engineers seeded life (much after they did on Earth) and the humanoids there, were not that advanced and were living in their version of Roman empire before David killed them all.

Infact, Alien: Covenant raises more burning questions.

Have a second viewing of Prometheus. It's the adventure to an absolute unknown, the distinct characters and the sci-fi horror elements which makes the film great.

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I don't disagree with any of this. Prometheus definitely feels like it was built with a direct sequel in mind, however, fleeting reception turned its sequel into a long wait. By the time a sequel was ready to be made, it turned into a mad dash to create a reason to get an audience to buy a ticket - Let's get the Aliens in here, like NOW...fuck what we had planned with the Engineers.

I really don't believe that Covenant was the sequel that Scott had in mind when he created Prometheus, but circumstances forced his hand into fast-forwarding a bit to get the Aliens into the movie...which inadvertently created a narrative that neither Prometheus fans or Aliens fans were on board with.

IMO, it also didn't help that Scott seemed to not understand why his original movie was so effective. Any mysteries that he may have set up with his original movie seemed to have been answered with fan fiction level writing 35 years later. Watching Prometheus and Covenant now almost makes me feel like he simply got lucky with the original Alien, or that he was simply at the right place (with the right people) at the right time.

By the time Covenant happened, I was practically shocked that I'd rather watch Alien: Resurrection, and I really wasn't expecting that. I was at a 5 with Prometheus with the hope that Covenant could elevate it, but now I'm much more interested in someone else taking over. These sequels feel like Terminator movies after T2 - Some of the familiar imagery without any of the soul. What's frustrating is that there's some interesting ideas in these movies, but they're at odds with desires of creating something that will make a lot of money.

Thinking about it now, I think George Miller has been the only one to take an 80s movie franchise (Mad Max), and turned it into something that feels convincingly relevant in recent years. FR is the only movie that I can think of where I don't have to make excuses for enjoying it as much as the originals.

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