Rushmore much?
Got that whole vibe about it.
Or is that just me?
no, I got that. very wes anderson, but it still looks great
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LOL@ the word 'handjob' being the reason it was similar to Rushmore.
But yeah, I though it had the same feeling - a self obsessed teened clearly aliened by this family and peers...
I was thinking that. The style of this film is very similar to Wes Anderson's films (and others I'm too lazy to think up). The humor felt very trendy. Still some great scenes, though.
sharewell ayoade keeps distancing himself from wes anderson so when i saw it i tried to think what his influences were and if there were similarities.
it seems that the cutting and pacing was more in keeping with the french new wave style, something that anderson uses in his films. i think ayoade is influenced by the same films anderson is rather than anderson's films.
there are some very obvious similarties, like the prologue/part one titles, the slo mo and music at times, but i felt it was a film that belonged in parallel to anderson's films rather than chasing them.
its all in the editing, submarine had some harsh video and music cuts, fades to red and blue, very quick intercutting and shifted through time without being quite as harsh as say 'breathless'.
anderson tends to be more loving with his shots, lingering and dreamy or stylised (using once focal length for the whole of royal tenebaums for example). ayoade used everything for effect, contrasting and comparing.
but he has his own style too, one montage scene of pyro/industrial estate wandering was very similar to his music video direction of vampire weekend's 'oxford comma' (an excellent video, but does have a life aquatic vibe)
although a very good debut, it is a bit of a shame to see a british film trying to emulate the very american indie films of the 00s. but in the same way 'bottle rocket' was a very early, unfinished version of anderson's style that become more flamboyant and brilliant, hopefully ayoade's career can develop in the same way.
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One of Wes Anderson's inspirations is Hal Ashby, who directed Harold and Maude, and Oliver Tate looks uncannily like Harold. When I first saw the picture of Oliver in his duffel coat I thought it was from Harold and Maude. If you watch Harold and Maude it really feels like a Wes Anderson film at times, or rather Wes Anderson drew on it's style and atmosphere, this film also feels like something of a homage to it as well.
Also, although this is probably coincidental, Jordana reminded me of Nessa from Gavin & Stacey (same hairstyle, similar accent and she has a bit of Nessa's rough-edged attitude). The school
teacher is also played by the bloke who played Dave Coach in Gavin & Stacey.
yea i definetely think that ayoade is influenced by anderson's influences, either through anderson or not.
but after working in the cutting edge of british TV comedy for years, he also has that british edge to his sword.
it feels good to have a british auteur around, heres to many more ayoade films.
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Completely agree with quirckyrecords, not so much anderson but definitely french new wave inspired. More so than usual actually - but made it a pleasure to watch!
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The film is unapologetic in its love and visual referencing of Rushmore, Harold and Maude, the French New Wave etc. I think what's amazing is that it stands up on its own in spite of these obvious comparisons. A really spectacular movie.
shareI haven't seen this yet but I love Rushmore. More movies should be like Rushmore. This thread actually makes me want to see this now.
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Finally a indie film that delivers.
The acting is fantastic, the actors are fantastic, the script, direction, everything is perfect.
I would much rather people see this then the 'crap' coming of age indie films like juno.
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definitely a very strong Wes Anderson vibe.
good film.When there's no more room in hell, The dead will walk the earth...
Actually more Baumbach than Anderson imo. Really good movie.
shareThe part about the different phases that hed' been going through reminded me very much of Wes Anderson.
shareI agree with that. In my opinion, Wes Anderson films have a lightness to them that you rarely see in Baumbach. Even though this film was occasionally very funny, it was a heavier sort of humor than you'd see in a typical Anderson flick... definitely more akin to Baumbach.
shareWas the lead character in Rushmore a completely selfish *beep* too?
shareHe was a teenager, yes.
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I'd go Rusmore + Harold and Maude + Godard, and a dash of Mike Nichols and a small bit of Nick Hornby. Five for five on the influences.
That said, quite good. Of all the young post-Rushmore filmmakers, I could see Ayoade being the best of the bunch in the long run. The cinematography and coloring is incredible. Lots of great framing. Anderson's movies obviously have these elements too, but in a much different way. Submarine almost looked like a Ken Loach/Wes Anderson/Early Stephen Frears mash-up, visually. Was so beautiful.
I see that Ayoade is doing Neighborhood Watch. That should be interesting. My guess is that he takes more from David Gordon Green and Greg Mottola for that flick. We'll see. He did the "Critical Film Studies" episode of "Community." Thought that was quite good, too. I'll look forward to anything he does from here forward, based on this film alone.
A/A+ flick in my book.
Hope you don't mind if I use your post as my rental queue for the next month...
shareYeah it reminded me of Rushmore quite alot, but it didnt rip off rushmore, it had the same dry humor vibe (but none of the same jokes), the kid who's knowledgable beyond his years, the theme of love not working out, personal problems, theyre universal. It wasnt a negative, i think they work really well together. I think both movies are great and i have a hard time choosing which one i like better. I do prefer Richard Ayoade (sp?) as this was an amazing first movie, and cant wait for his next project! Wes Anderson, i find is hit and miss these days.
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