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Ian Somerhalder : Damon RAPED Caroline


To the those who keep denying it:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ProtectStelena/status/748234717762326528

Here's what the man himself had said.

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Here are my 2 questions (for anyone reading this):

1) It's been awhile since I watched season 1. What exactly did he compel her to do? If he compelled her to like him, then of course that would constitute rape. I don't remember that though and I thought he only compelled her not to tell people he was a vampire.

2) Seeing as he's murdered hundreds, maybe even thousands, of people, why is everyone acting like him raping one girl is the deciding factor in whether he's a good guy or not? This isn't directed at you specifically, but I find it ridiculous that many people are like "oh, he was a serial killer for a hundred years, no big deal" but then act like him raping someone is the end of the world.

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1) She was screaming and running away from him after waking up from her first night with him. he catches and throws her in the bed, snarling (blood on his teeth and everything). the next time we see Caroline, she's kissing him goodbye as he drops her off at cheerleading practice, smiling happily like if he's just her new boyfriend. This is just one scene though.

Seeing as he's murdered hundreds, maybe even thousands, of people, why is everyone acting like him raping one girl is the deciding factor in whether he's a good guy or not?


That has never been the point of this discussion.

No one is arguing that Damon is a good guy or not based on his ability to rape people. People are upset that despite overwhelming evidence, there are still a very large group of people that deny that Damon is a rapist. And guess what? A lot of people carry this argument into real life rape cases. So yes, it strikes a nerve. Because you rarely ever see people defending mass murderers and killers, but when it comes to rape, people will twist themselves into pretzels to excuse/ pardon/ rationalise Generic White Male, and it's worse if he's more than average-looking.

That's why it's a big deal. Especially when even the actor of the show says, "yep, I played a rapist" and you still have people trying to rape-splain this away.

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I wouldn't say they excuse him because he's white, in this case of this show and argument, they excuse him because they have an obsession with him, I believe if it was a black actor who's playing same character and had millions of stans for his character, they'd defend him. That's just what these brainless fangirls do.

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If it was a black actor I think some people would have more of a problem with it and it would be the black fans that do. I'm a black woman saying this because I've seen it before. People would say stuff like why did they make the black character a rapist or something like that. Hence towards the end of this season of The Originals wikia board there were lots of people complaining about why all the black characters on the show were bad and even acting like it was some kind of conspiracy to make blacks look bad or some nonsense like that.

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Well yeah some people would, I have a problem with Damon raping as do other fans, but there would be that Section of fangirls that STILL defend the character, like had Marcel done something similar, he wouldn't have loads of defenders like Damon (who's probably the popular character) but he'd still have those delusional some.

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They don't excuse him because he's white per se but... ONLY white male characters inspire this kind of large scale devotion in audiences, sadly. You won't see a Black equivalent of Damon Salvatore. At least not on US media, viewed by US audiences. Black good guys get demonized while White bad boy get woobified.

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Ah, yes, I could agree with this argument, I think a black actor/character COULD have this probability. But as it hasn't happened I think, I agree. It wouldn't be the same if Ian Somerhalder wasn't playing Damon Salvatore, looks play hugely into the characters delusional pardoning.

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The Originals Seasons 1-3 Spoilers

Do you think maybe Marcell does? He has the typical vampire diaries hypocrisy of being evil but preachy and the charm that makes people forget the wickedness.

He did wrong the wolves and witches but I don't know how justified he was since maybe it was a kill or be killed kind of situation. Goodness knows all supernatural folk are crazy.

But using human tourists as blood bags is wrong, obviously. Actually, he's been one of the more benevolent vampires unless my memory is failing me, lol.

But he has "wronged" the originals, so he would be a bad guy to the audience. Like when Klaus did to the family supposedly with the aunt.

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So simple. So obvious. Right?

But it's been 7 years and people still keep dissecting this for a loophole that vindicates him.

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Been saying this for years. I applaud him for calling a spade a spade and trying to sugarcoat things. Damon straight up abused Caroline - physically, mentally and sexually.

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Boosting this up because of the current discussion on this topic.

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I still cannot grasp how the "Defenders" can argue against this. The actor has stated clearly that he played the role as a rapist ---- and yet this is still regarded as debatable?

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Plec herself can go on record to say that yes, she admits that Damon raped Caroline - and they would do an about-face and play the "Writer is not God" card, and that she might have meant to write that, but the story didn't play out that way so they don't have to take her version of events as canon. Basically, what we've been arguing all this while.

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I honestly stopped questioning this after Ian's comment made it to Twitter and there were fans saying that they didn't care because he was still "hot", I mean...the hell???

It also makes me thing of what Kat said about the Bamon friendship, how she wouldn't be friends with a man that spoke to her the way Damon speaks to Bonnie.

It's funny how these actors can identify flaws in these characters that these writers don't have a clue about.


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I think the writers identify these flaws but they use the blanket excuse 'it's a vampire show' as a get-out-of-jail card. But the problem is that if none of these evil/controversial actions don't matter.... what's the point? If the show is going to have Damon treat Bonnie like dirt, but not have it influence their friendship or cause angst, conflict or a moment then why bother?

For example, imagine that scene in season 7 when Damon is calling Bonnie and she rolls her eyes and says, "lemme guess - you need something?" but she still does it anyway? What about if, it's a scene where Damon is in desperate danger and he genuinely needs her help. He calls her, before he can even start talking she says the same thing, "lemme guess - you need something?" but rather than agree to help him, her next words are like, "Eff off, Damon." and she turns off her phone so he would quit bugging her. And now he's really in danger without his Witch Friday to bail him out?

THEN that would give all the past mistreatment narrative weight because we can then see that it was building up to this moment. It had consequences. It wasn't something just thrown in to diminish Bonnie or make Damon seem "cute" for treating her badly. It was thrown in there so that a time would come when she'd grow a backbone and it would be the worst possible timing for him.

I mean.... even a folk story "the boy who cried wolf" got it right about actions and consequences and TVD's experienced showrunners are still struggling to grasp this basic concept?

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I agree with everything you said. I'm reminded of that scene a few years ago where Damon killed...Aaron...was it? He was so scared that he would lose Elena over it but instead she forgave him immediately. Why even have Damon kill Elena's friend if it involves no consequences?

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Good point and I really don't know. I guess they just want to give the audience something to talk about for a week or so between new episodes. Because it doesn't seem to have any effect on the story they are telling.

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It also makes me thing of what Kat said about the Bamon friendship, how she wouldn't be friends with a man that spoke to her the way Damon speaks to Bonnie.


Yeah, I have to agree. There are a lot of times where I can see a Bamon relationship happen, and it is mostly due to the chemistry between Ian and Kat but then i think back to how truly awful Damon has been to Bonnie in the past, and I just don't get it? Why are there so many damn fans for this relationship.

I guess it's like Klaroline, but honestly, I don't think Klaus was as awful to Caroline as Damon is to Bonnie, especially in seasons 1-5. Klaus specifically did things to be nice just to Care, while as Damon does sh-t just to prove he doesn't give a crap about anyone, including Bonnie.

The actors are refreshingly aware of how terrible their characters are. If this weren't a fantasy show, I'm sure fans would be more aware too.

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I don't think Klaus was as awful to Caroline


He was awful to her. I just recall that scene when he stabbed her with that lamp or he bit her. IIRC she was asking for it, taunting him and all. Where else was he awful to her?


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I just recall that scene when he stabbed her with that lamp or he bit her. IIRC she was asking for it, taunting him and all.


She wasn't taunting him. Klaus was being delusional and implied that she should be grateful to him because he saved Tyler from being a werewolf and saved her life, ignoring the fact that he enslaved Tyler and the only reason she needed saving was because of him. All she said to that was the truth, that he killed Tyler's mother and Elena's aunt.

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Yeah you are right. I just saw the clip again. I think her clear dislike "you are not worth the calories I burn talking to did that"

and "I will never ever help you."

She really didnt like him but she had good reason not to.

SHe hurt his feelings after all 

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she wanted it from the moment she saw it, not rape lol

www.youtube.com/sistik123

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Her mind changed the moment he attacked her... rape.

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i thought it was clear that damon raped her

You can't persuade fanboys. You'd be better off trying to convince a wall. ~CodeNamePlasmaSnake~

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You can't persuade fanboys. You'd be better off trying to convince a wall. ~CodeNamePlasmaSnake~


^^ this.

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Ian has officially run out of f-cks to give about this show and I'm just tickled. I guess he figures it's the last season and his character still hasn't developed past the emotional maturity of an adolescent leaving him doomed to basically repeat a barely altered variation of the same damn storyline each season.

So he's just like, "F-ck this sh-t. It WAS rape!" *mic drop*

It's just glorious.

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