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So they have Bonnie pick Enzo, just for Enzo to treat her badly

posted 8 years ago by awesomebamon
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during his no humanity and she's going to take his verbal abuse as she tries to get him to turn back on his switch? I never excused anything that the vampires did without their humanity switch on. But to have Bonnie pick Enzo, just for her to struggle through getting him to turn back on his switch.

Saying that she choose her happiness and yet making her suffer through something yet again, where she has to go through some kind of pain and emotional turmoil yet again for the sake of trying to save and help someone else, rinse, wash, repeat of how she was willing to put her physical or emotional well being to the side before in the name of saving one of her friends/boyfriends.

[–] ursulazsenya 8 years ago

Just revisiting this thread now that the episode has actually aired to point out that I was right - the Bamon fans really were anticipating an episode of Enzo being verbally or physically abusive to Bonnie.

We don't see one instance of Enzo hurting Bonnie with words or actions. If anything, he flirts with her, and his method of making her free him is sweet talking and trying to guilt her into going to Tyler's funeral. Compare that to Damon's snarky barb of "Poor Bonnie, always the bridesmaid, and never the bride" of the past episode.

[–] awesomebamon 8 years ago

We just see her suicidal and reckless with her life, setting herself on fire for his humanity. Under the excuse of her "love" for him and him making her "happy". And that she "had faith that he would save her". Therefore it's alright for girlfriends/wives everywhere to on purpose put their lives in danger and in life and death situations, on the hopes and "faiths" that their man will save them in time.

Still showed a toxic relationship, if you excuse it all on love and "happiness" still proves the point of BE fans calling out Bamon fans, but are okay with a woman setting her surrounds on fire for a man, as long as that man is Enzo or for their ship.

Sending the message to girls, that "Love" means being reckless with their lives if their boyfriends/men get into some sort of trouble. If they have to take drugs to prove their love than so be it, put a gun to their head, then so be it etc...

The only way that Enzo could turn on his humanity was to be selfish and wait until Bonnie nearly burned herself over him. Shouldn't take her going to those extremes for him to want to turn in on for her and shouldn't take her nearly dying to realize that he doesn't want to lose her.

[–] ursulazsenya 8 years ago

It doesn't take away from my point that you anticipated Enzo being verbally and physically abusive to Bonnie with no evidence whatsoever and when the actual episode aired, it proved your wrong.

I'm sorry you're disappointed that your "favourite" character didn't get head slammed or emotionally belittled by the most important man in her life. I guess you have to satisfy yourself with repeats of Bamon scenes in season 6 & 7 to satisfy that particular kink of yours.

[–] awesomebamon 8 years ago

Only based off of what was said about Enzo saying mean things to Bonnie. I know that lots of Bonenzo fans are happy and satisfied with Bonnie being suicidal and wanting to die over Enzo. By saying that she is doing if for the man that she loves and who makes her happy and who "loves" and is "devoted" to her to make it okay.

Lots of Enzo/BE fans gushing over and loving a scene where Bonnie sets herself on fire, just because BE may have some "cute', "flirty" scenes. I mean if JP has Bonnie commit suicide for Enzo later in the season, ya'll can make it okay, for as long as JP write it to say that Bonnie is doing it for a man that is "devoted" to her and that is her "epic love" and being okay with Bonnie putting herself in a grave for Enzo.

You can have your kinks of Bonnie saying that she wants to die for your favorite Enzo on your own excuse that he is devoted to her so that makes it okay for a woman to say about a man and that makes it okay for a woman to put her surrounding on fire for your fave male character. You and other Bonenzo fans get kinks from Enzo pistol whipping Bonnie and calling her a "groupie".

As well as hanging herself, putting a gun to her head, jumping in front of speeding cars for "devoted" Enzo, because according to ya'll it's alright, if a woman has trust and faith in a man to be reckless with her life for him and over him.

Talk to your fellow fans okay with Bonnie putting herself in a grave for Enzo and excusing it as love, trust and faith. Making suicide and being reckless with ones life for a man romantic.

You all like to focus on Damon/Bamon being problematic, while glossing over and ignoring everything that Enzo has done wrong, including all of the things that Enzo has done wrong in Season 7 that hurt Bonnie. You haven't focused on nor do you all care about what Enzo did wrong to Bonnie in Season 7 or before that, but what to focus on Damon, focus on the abuse that your fave did to Bonnie in Season 7, as well as the fact that Bonenzo fans look over all of the toxic parts in your ship.

[–] ursulazsenya 8 years ago

I mean if JP has Bonnie commit suicide for Enzo later in the season

I'm sure you would love that as much as you loved the idea of Enzo verbally & physically abusing Bonnie. Like I said - if you want to watch that - you need to re-watch the Bamon moments in season 7.

You and other Bonenzo fans get kinks from Enzo pistol whipping Bonnie and calling her a "groupie".

So the best receipts you can come up with is something that happened before they were even friends, to say nothing of lovers. But I remember Damon choking Bonnie for trying to put herself in the first place when she and Damon were already best friends and Bamon fans were spinning it as empowering.

As recently as 8x1, Damon was choking Bonnie to threaten Stefan & Bamon fans were talking about how much chemistry they had. And let's not forget that the Bamon fandom exploded in Episode 1, when Damon cornered Bonnie against a car and threatened to harm her if she didn't give him back Emily's necklace. Seems like Bamon fans have been "kinkier" about their ship longer and harder than Bonenzo fans ever got a chance to be.

jumping in front of speeding cars for "devoted" Enzo

Funny thing, I didn't see you making a thread like this when Bonnie was jumping in front of a turning werewolf for Damon last season. 😎 Or when Bonnie sent Damon away from the Prison World and left herself behind to die at Kai's hands. You were all praising the Bamon dynamic then. Funny how you're singing a completely different tune now that the man in question is a character of colour and your White Fave.

[–] bluesysax 8 years ago

So the best receipts you can come up with is something that happened in the first half of season 7, before they were even friends, to say nothing of lovers.

Says the person who is obsessed to the point of crazy about the actions of a character that happened in the first 3 episodes of the show (in her head anyway).

Grabbing popcorn to watch the hypocrisy continue to evolve. Fascinating stuff.

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[–] awesomebamon 8 years ago

Nah, you're the one making excuses. Her saying that she wants to die is okay, because Enzo makes her "happy" and he is "devoted" to her. I think that you would love to see that since you made excuses for what she said to Caroline about wanting to die over Enzo. Just because her boyfriend is not there.

"Before they were even friends" Making excuses for your man Enzo being abusive, physically and verbally towards Bonnie, by saying that it was before they were even friends. By that logic guess you can't use anything that Damon did to Bonnie(or anyone else) "before they were friends" Talking about Bamon/Damon fans and on your high horse, when you are making excuses and deflecting back to Damon/Bamon fans.

But won't acknowledge the wrong that your fave has done. Just admit that you are like Damon/Kai/Klaus/Stefan fans and will overlook your faves wrong doings and Stan for Enzo as hard as the rest of us Stan for our problematic male faves. Unless you are going to act like Enzo is the Saint of the male characters, who has never abused women, never done wrong, never killed in cold blood. Never was violent towards Bonnie, never kidnapped Caroline and had her tortured by the heretics. Never seen you acknowledge Enzo's wrong doings.

Your message that Enzo being a MOC, is your excuse to say that it's alright to whitewash and excuse MOC, being abusive, cold blooded murderers. Hypocrite with claiming that someone is using the "race card" yet will do that to justify and gloss over your problematic fave and ship, by talking about Damon being my white fave. Like your fave isn't as problematic/violent/abusive during his time on the show.

[–] ursulazsenya 8 years ago

I never said her wanting to die is OK because guess what? Bonnie never said she wanted to die. Nice try, though.

By that logic guess you can't use anything that Damon did to Bonnie "before they were friends" Talking about Bamon/Damon fans and on your high horse, when you are making excuses and deflecting back to Damon/Bamon fans.

That's OK. 😎 I still have the entire first half of season 7 and the entire abusive dynamic of Bamon Best Friendship - the Original BBFF - to fall back on. Nothing is as visually hard to pull out of my head as watching a woman laughing over the fact that a man had literally just tried to choke her to death.

Just admit that you are like Damon/Kai/Klaus/Stefan fans and will overlook your faves wrong doings and Stan for Enzo as hard as the rest of us Stan for our problematic male faves.

Oh, so you're admitting that you are overlooking Damon doing wrong and stanning for him despite that? That's progress.

Your message that Enzo being a MOC, is your excuse to say that it's alright to whitewash and excuse MOC, being abusive, cold blooded murderers. Hypocrite with claiming that someone is using the "race card" yet will do that to justify and gloss over your problematic fave and ship, by talking about Damon being my white fave. Like your fave isn't as problematic/violent/abusive during his time on the show.

The only person playing the race card is you and the other Bamon fans who insist that it's racist you're not getting your ship. But for someone who's so concerned about social justice, you certainly seem to be obsessed with running down a MOC for the sake of your White Fave, including being upset that a Black Woman chose to save the life of a MOC over a White Man. You need to take a break from this show, and media in general, and examine your internalised racism and white-man-worship. These days more than ever, I think.

[–] awesomebamon 8 years ago

She did hint that she wanted to die, nice try tho. She did mention dying.

Oh, so you're admitting that you are overlooking Damon doing wrong and stanning for him despite that? That's progress.

When will you admit to overlooking Enzo's. You have yet to acknowledge it.

The only person playing the race card is you and the other Bamon fans who insist that it's racist you're not getting your ship. But for someone who's so concerned about social justice, you certainly seem to be obsessed with running down a MOC for the sake of your White Fave, including being upset that a Black Woman chose to save the life of a MOC over a White Man. You need to take a break from this show, and media in general, and examine your internalised racism and white-man-worship. These days more than ever, I think.
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Nope, you're playing the "race card" using Enzo being a MOC and Damon being white, to gloss over your obsession with bringing up Damon's wrong doings, what Damon did in earlier seasons, while using Enzo being a MOC to say that I'm "bring a MOC down".

Funny that's the same language that some use in the case of Nate Parker and Bill Cosby. Whenever black women try to focus on the fact that these men are abusive or rapist, the talk is about how the "black men are trying to be brought down" how we are "playing to the white man" or how the "black community brought down" by the fact that just because these men are black/MOC that their wrong doings aren't white washed and overlooked.

Trying to guilt trip me into not talking about Enzo being problematic because he is a MOC, no different then those trying to guilt trip black women into not bashing Nate Parker for his rape accusations, because it's the same thing that you are doing.

Enzo being a MOC, doesn't make his abusive/violent actions any less problematic than all of the white male faves that have appeared on TVD. You use race when it comes to trying to deflect from ENzo being problematic and not wanting to address it.

Those defending Nate Parker and his rape, would talk about how black women must "worship white people" too. So you stan for MOC/black men who rape/abusive/murder and then will deflect to how anyone POC who wants them held accountable for it as "white people worship"

If you don't like MOC being held accountable and called out for their abuse/violent, then you are the one with the problem, not me. Not sorry and won't be guilt tripped, into not thinking that a MOC is just as wrong for abuse/violence as a white man is.

[–] ursulazsenya 8 years ago

It says something about you that your only comeback is a distorted echo of something that was said to you. Something unflattering.

When will you admit to overlooking Enzo's. You have yet to acknowledge it.

Acknowledge that the writing and build-up for Bonenzo and Enzo in general was bothersome? I have done that and I'm doing that now. I wasn't in the least interested in Enzo as a character before half-way in season 7 because there was nothing interesting about him.

I wish I could say the same about Bamon fans who were shipping Bonnie with a rapist way back in season 1. But guess what? I can't.

Nope, you're playing the "race card" using Enzo being a MOC and Damon being white, to gloss over your obsession with bringing up Damon's wrong doings, what Damon did in earlier seasons, while using Enzo being a MOC to say that I'm "bring a MOC down".

Earlier seasons? He had Bonnie in a chokehold in 8x1. He was saying "always the bride, never the bridesmaid" an episode ago. In the entire of season 7 - just last season - when they were BBFFs - he was choking her, lying about the reason for her blackouts, arm-twisting her into increasingly dangerous situations, second-guessing saving her life - and eventually abandoned her and locked himself up in a coffin to wait for her to die.

And not once, did you start a thread complaining about that treatment.

Those defending Nate Parker and his rape, would talk about how black women must "worship white people" too. So you stan for MOC/black men who rape/abusive/murder and then will deflect to how anyone POC who wants them held accountable for it as "white people worship"

😒😒

So that's your defence for you stanning a White Rapist over a non-rapist MoC? Black Men Rape, too? So it's OK to like White Men who do?

Stupid.

I mean, I'm usually trying to err on the side of politeness but this entire rant is so stupid.

Last time, I checked the only rapist between the two men is White Damon. MOC Enzo won't even sleep with a humanity-off Caroline who was throwing herself at him even though he was clearly interested at the time because "no fun when you're not you." Contrast that to the entire Damon/Caroline dynamic of season 1.

::shakes head::

No one is asking you to like Enzo because he's an MOC. No one is asking you to like Bonenzo or prefer that ship over Bamon. But there's something extremely problematic about you condemning a MOC for doing half as much as your favorite White Fave has done. For you being eager to see Enzo torture and abuse Bonnie and being disappointed when he does not, while turning a blind eye to Damon doing it to her for two seasons ---- as her best friend.

And if you can't see that.

::shakes head::

Stupid.

Illogical.

Offensive.

Everything about you and your entire posts and presence on this board, and even on your twitter feed as users like origine have pointed out.

Guess it's time to use the block button.

[–] awesomebamon 8 years ago

I have called out Damon's wrong doings before. You stan for Enzo whether he is a MOC or a whitewashed MOC on the show. You ship Bonnie with a "women abuser". Whether or when or where you were interested in Enzo. Shipping her with a man who has abused women, murdered women in cold blood.

You saying that you weren't interested in Enzo/Bonenzo doesn't change from the fact that Enzo has been willing to use violence against women when he sees it as his advantage. You are willing to do what you have to do, in order to Stan for a character who has been violent and abusive towards women.

You can call Damon a rapist and you still stan for a man who has been violent towards women when he sees fit, he has been abusive towards Bonnie and Caroline for his own gains, and has murdered Ivy just for the fact that Stefan made Caroline cry. Has been violent towards women to get back at men (choking Bonnie to get to Stefan, killed Ivy for revenge on Stefan). Verbally belittling towards Bonnie over jealously. Drugged and pistol whipped Bonnie for his own benefit.

Since Damon and Bonnie weren't friends in Season one then why are you bringing that up, since you don't want what Enzo did in Season 7 to Bonnie brought up because it was "before they were friends"

No matter when you were a fan of Enzo he did these things and you still overlook and only/solely want to focus on what Damon has done wrong and the problems of Bamon, when you and other Bonenzo fans overlook ENzo's wrong doings and him being problematic and you overlook all of the verbal and physical abuse that Enzo has done towards Bonnie to stan BE, like all of the rest of the TVD fandom Stan for problematic ships

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[–] reijiliehanisi 8 years ago

Can I ask you something.

No matter when you were a fan of Enzo he did these things and you still overlook and only/solely want to focus on what Damon has done wrong and the problems of Bamon, when you and other Bonenzo fans overlook ENzo's wrong doings and him being problematic and you overlook all of the verbal and physical abuse that Enzo has done towards Bonnie to stan BE, like all of the rest of the TVD fandom Stan for problematic ships

Whats youre end goal here? Do you want Bonenzo fans to say their ship is inferior to yours? Will that make you feel like you've won whatever it is you're trying to achieve and then your life will be fullfilled? I'm not getting it. What is the point in this same tired argument? Isn't it time to move onto something that brings you joy in your life rather than throwing stones from your glass house? I didn't like the way Teen Wolf was going so I stopped watching it at season 3. I loved that show but I outgrew it. What exactly do these hateful threads and loose use of triggering terms do aside from put more negativity into a world that already has its fill?

[–] awesomebamon 8 years ago

It is Bonenzo fans goals to get Bamon fans to admit that Bamon is inferior to their ship? Because their ship is just as flawed and problematic as the others ships are on TVD. No need to act like their ship is some perfect real life goal, that people should follow for ships, while they only focus on Damon/Bamon's flaws.

Or do what they can to bash Damon, while coming up with any reason to overlook Enzo's wrong doings and their ship being problematic/ having toxic parts to it.

Like trying to use Enzo being a MOC to guilt trip me into thinking that it's wrong that I part out his wrong doings. Even though other Anti-Bamon fans have called Enzo white and even though when it comes down to it, it's about some being an Anti fan of Damon's who will just want to focus more on Damon's flawed behavior, while being more forgiving of Enzo's because Enzo is their fave.

What's the goal of Anti Damon/Bamon fans? Or Anti anyone fans who make threads?

[–] nunyabiznesskay 8 years ago

I don't like that she has to, once again, suffer, (Seriously Enzo she picked you over Damon, shouldn't that have been enough to flip that switch) but picking Enzo I get. In that instance she actually chose herself. Damon chose himself when he tried to drop her like a bad habit and leave her even after that impassioned plea she gave, and honestly, I half-way expected Bonnie to pick Damon, and I was a little shocked she didn't, Super Glad she did, but still a little shocked.

[–] awesomebamon 8 years ago

They made Enzo flip the switch off after she picked him and then made her go to the extremes of nearly burning herself to death in order for him to make to turn on his switch. Shouldn't take her trying to burn herself to death, he loves her that much. Is she going to have to nearly kill herself everytime that Enzo gets into trouble?