Tyler's worse crime , does he deserve Hell? - The Vampire Diaries (2009) Discussion

[–] sandrabassler-50248 8 years ago

Damon will pay for killing Tyler matt told Damon that he wound kill him if he hurt Tyler

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[–] cecejk 8 years ago

He killed Duane, the hybrid that tried to protect the baby. He accidently killed the first girl that triggered his wolf gene, then killed his witch girlfriend, who was already dying, to trigger his gene and healing powers. Those are the only kills I remember, but he was gone so much who knows what he was off doing.

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[–] Allison_max_rae94 8 years ago

Did Sarah, who was by all means innocent, deserve to die? Or Matt's dad, who lived through sheer luck...or someone who unwittingly killed their best friend and regretted it deserved to suffer for all of eternity?

I remember the plot of the second series for TVD involved Stefan trapped in a dark dimension and Elena and Damon working to save him... it's the only reason I'm not going absolutely crazy of this mythos reveal unless it ends up coming off as less book inspired and more.

Arcadius is one of the worst people I can imagine because people don't deserve to suffer lifetimes of torture and agony. Even Katherine doesn't. The only way we get into monsters is in extreme Godwin's law applications where death isn't enough and even then, no. It's absolutely disgusting and I want this place to get taken apart.

Tyler certainly doesn't deserve it. Hayley and Hope are alive and well, witches used him to try and prevent Hope's birth despite the fact it happened by nature- Liv sacrificed herself to save his life and Katherine compelled that girl to attack him, he lashed out in self-defence. He's dead, explain to me why what he has done wrong warrant pain and suffering for eternity.

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[–] UseYourHeart 8 years ago

people don't deserve to suffer lifetimes of torture and agony.

Disagree. Many people definitely deserve this.

Most examples of such people can be found at bestgore.com (EXTREMELY graphic violence on that site. Not at all for the faint of heart. Proceed with caution.)

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[–] mymammakat 8 years ago

I agree that Evil people deserve to endure the torment of understanding and feeling the pain that they inflicted on others.
Unfortunately, there is no way to force emotional enlightenment on a psychopath.
Some religions believe that our souls return after death to continue a journey toward enlightenment, maybe that takes multiple lifetimes, I see that as righteous.

We're all on our way out, act accordingly.

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[–] dgreene-84304 8 years ago

Dude your argument ended the moment you said "he didnt kill AS MANY people as his friends". Yeah murder is murder pretty sure his defense cant be it wasnt that many lol.

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[–] kadeskiss 8 years ago

Tyler has done some things in his past:

Pick on Jeremy
Tried to rape Viki
Made out with Matt's mother
Best up Matt
Push Caroline against the wall
Kept Caroline in a cage .
Threaten Stefan
Got into a car accident that almost killed Caroline
Got into another car accident that almost killed a guy (Liv killed him so Tyler wouldn't turn)

Killed a girl at a party.
Killed Liv.

Consider the circumstances in which Tyler had killed someone, I do not think he deserves hell. However he did kill two people,and it doesn't matter if he didn't mean to he still killed two people. Georgia cause a car accident . She went to help for that. So it's probably the same thing for Tyler.

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[–] UseYourHeart 8 years ago

Georgia went to hell because she was driving drunk and killed someone as a result. She was being irresponsible.

Tyler killed one person (who was compelled by Katherine) by accident, and two people who literally asked to be killed.

Quite frankly, he's the most morally sound character on the show that displayed actual character growth and wasn't afraid to call Stefan, Damon and friends on their sh-t. So, naturally, he had to die. 😒

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[–] bluesysax 8 years ago

The bar set for eligibility to hell is set pretty low so I think Tyler was hell bound in the same way every member of the gang is. He was responsible for losing control of his truck which careered into the corn field killing at least one person. He was text/driving at the time.

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[–] cecejk 8 years ago

I thought only the people the sirens killed went to Cade's hell.

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[–] bluesysax 8 years ago

I never really looked at it like that because of Georgie, but you could be right. So why did Georgie get a visit to Hell? She was eventually killed for good by a Siren so your theory fits that part but it doesn't explain why she went to hell when she nearly died the first time.

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[–] cecejk 8 years ago

Idk why she visited hell temporarily. Did she sell her soul or do worse than was shown? Does everyone go to hell? If everyone who dies goes to Cade's hell, why would he need the sirens or the Salvatores?

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[–] bluesysax 8 years ago

Very true.
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[–] osie_amburgey25 8 years ago

another question that needs to be answered, how long will it take for cade to break Tyler in hell?

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[–] susanaf95 8 years ago

Basically anyone that dies and has done something sinful/bad in their past goes to hell.
But the sirens role is to find those people faster for Caide and kill them because he asked them. Cade's deal is so these bad people are taken care of his way fast, but they're gonna die anyway.

Just like when Georgie died after killing the girl in the car crash - she went to hell. Sirens had no part in it.

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[–] kadeskiss 8 years ago

Tyler has done some things in his past:

Pick on Jeremy
Tried to rape Viki
Made out with Matt's mother
Best up Matt
Push Caroline against the wall
Kept Caroline in a cage .
Threaten Stefan
Got into a car accident that almost killed Caroline
Got into another car accident that almost killed a guy (Liv killed him so Tyler wouldn't turn)

Killed a girl at a party.
Killed Liv.

Consider the circumstances in which Tyler had killed someone, I do not think he deserves hell. However he did kill two people,and it doesn't matter if he didn't mean to he still killed two people. Georgia cause a car accident . She went to help for that. So it's probably the same thing for Tyler.

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[–] Allison_max_rae94 8 years ago

Vicki reminded me that she was sucked up as well- what was her crime? Being wrecked by drugs and struggling with the aftermath of transitioning- let's not get into debates on whether people deserve to get sucked up into eternal torment.

I think this hell is discriminate. It's not about making sure evil beings get what they deserve, it's a side effect. This is about Arcadius's vengeance on others and his long running torment by proxy on what happened to him.

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[–] Freya_Mikaelson 8 years ago

I think he'll be in hell. He's a good person deep down, just like others who are probably there too. If Georgie goes to hell for accidently killing a friend in a car accident, surely Tyler will also.

The only ones i'm not sure about going to hell are Matt and Bonnie. Sure they've killed a lot of people (But mostly(?) all of them have been Vampires) So i'm not entirely sure if that counts? I don't recall Matt ever killing a human, nor Bonnie but I could be wrong.

Caroline will most likely go there aswell, maybe all vampires are doomed, but she has done some pretty bad things that are worse than what Georgie had done, Same with Elena.

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[–] corymarilena 8 years ago

Matt killed his fiance Penny by mistake

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[–] Darrylmurphy 8 years ago

I would think Matt's racist attitude towards vampires and the fact he's responsible for the deaths of thousands of vampires atleast 1 of an entire line would have been innocent, plus committing suicide and killing Penny probably should earn him a spot in hell, I hope so atleast the quicker he dies the happier I will be.

Ty is def in hell he killed twice as a human, two as a hybrid and more directly tied to his stupidity so he's burning right now.

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[–] madnessrules 8 years ago

My problem is understanding the difference between this "hell" against the veil of supernaturals bonnie supposedly tore down? How could all of these supernatural beings be on the other side of the Veil but not in this hell since they killed people? Does it have to be a kill by someone under the spell of this siren to send them to that type of hell? The way she talked to stephan was like they all ended up there.

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[–] Darrylmurphy 8 years ago

Maybe "hell" is where all supernatural spirits went then Tessa created the other side and it cut of Cade's source of victims, so then after only supernaturals who were "touched" by a siren ended up there hence Katherine maybe, now without the Other Side all supernatural spirits are doomed to hell?

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[–] madnessrules 8 years ago

I'm just glad we are starting to get a glimpse where Katherine went when she flew out of the church LMAO It was so random

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