Nina: "I haven't ever told secret's in the past, and I''m definitely not going to start now. Sorry, guys. I'm not allowed to talk about that."
This is coming from the same person that promised Julie she would return for the finale. Now all of a sudden it's a secret.
Nina is not coming back.
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Thats one way of looking at it lol.
I think she is enjoying the spotlight on her. If she gives up the punch line (she is coming back) fans will stop hogging her.
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She is coming back for the finale despite you like or not
It has already been coonfirmed from a confiable source she will be in episode 16 only.Until then only old footage or references to her character
Stop praying to Tumblr, it'll ruin you.
shareShe is not going to be in the finale. Get over it. Old footage is flashbacks. That's not new footage of Elena waking up from her coma state. I am calling it now. Kai is gonna tell Damon he lied about the curse. Elena was never waking up in the first place. Why do you think they brought him back?
shareYep. Agreed. That particular secret is in reference to a new project she's been in-talks for for some time now. It's not The Notebook either, as she's way too old and the CW prolly is disgusted with her now anyway.
shareWhy would they be disgusted with her?
shareI work in TV, so I can give you the professional reason, or you can guess from the globally obvious one. She reneged on a serious promi$e, after they supported her in a way that leads who leave their own shows early generally are not.
shareNina didn't leave early.They all had a 6 years contract.The show was supposed to end after 6 seasons.Nina fulfilled her contract.Gave them 2 years notice that if they extend the show,she won't renew.They changed their initial agreement.Nina did nothing wrong.They had 2 years to close Elena's story.They chose not to.Not Nina's fault.If they wanted to continue till season 20,was she supposed to do so?Heck no.
shareI agree that she didn't necessarily do anything wrong but those contracts are standard, it doesn't mean the show is only supposed to last that long.
shareThe initial committement for everyone was 6 years.It was supposed to end after 6 years.They chose not to.She chose to not renew
shareThat is a standard contact. Lots of shows do it. They want to secure the leads for X amount of years. This is nothing new and it's not to say the show is definitely supposed to last that long.
True Blood did the same thing, that doesn't mean HBO gave them three seasons right off the bat.
Based on your comments here I do worry about your age. You're way too obsessed with Nina.
She reneged on a serious promi$e, after they supported her in a way that leads who leave their own shows early generally are not.
So Nina at age 28 is "too old" for the CW but Paul Wesley at age 34 is an acceptable age to play a teenager?
I know I'm a vampire, Snookie.
Lol, was thinking the same thing. Also Rachel Mcadams was like 25 when she played 17-year-old Allie in the movie so the "way too old" comment seems over the top.
When your mind breaks the spirit of your soul.
Nina looks late 20's, early 30's. Stop your Dobrevic role and think rationally. Rachel was also unknown. Nina will never play HS again, and that's OK.
shareGtfo with that BS. I don't even want her to do HS roles, what I reacted to was your over the top bitterness. Sure I like Nina but you're the one that's obsessed with her. Your posts with walls of text where you go into every little detail about her and her life makes that painfully clear. How do you claim to get that "inside information" you're spewing out? Are you on the set? If so, are they aware what a downright creep they have in their proximity?
When your mind breaks the spirit of your soul.
Did I say Paul looks 17?? They hired the boys at an age where their looks wouldn't change too drastically, whereas a teen-21 yr old male greatly would, should the show last.
Don't be so defensive, my comment was a rational one. And from a professional standpoint. Didn't call Nina a vile hag or say I dislike her, now did I? She's plenty viable for countless roles, but she needs to keep working on her chops. Her physicality will help a lot tho, as she's an action star in her own right.
LOL no your comment wasn't rational. You claimed Nina is "too old" for the CW even though, as I pointed out, there are actors older than her like Paul Wesley who they still have on their network playing teenagers.
Didn't call Nina a vile hag or say I dislike her, now did I?
Buffykins, the only one throwing little girl tantrums here is YOU. The only one who keeps proving she can't read or keep up, the one who is yet ANOTHER *snore* Nina stan, with zero industry know-how or rational thought processes, is, well, not me!
If you want to take part in high profile message board commentary, pretty please with Splenda, be capable of basic comprehension. How many times do I need to spell out that I made a super specific note about NINANOTPAUL no longer being viable for brand new shows featuring teenagers? How much clearer must I be, to point out that Paul was cast eight *beep* years ago??? He would NEVER be considered for the role TODAY. -that said, unlike Paul and the entire rest of the fanged cast, your girl *very* visably aged. Granted, that's largely on the network for major things like allowing her to destroy and majorly alter her hair, but I digress.
Also, unlike Paul, Nina WAS cast as a
teen and was responsible for not one, but 2 leading characters looking as young and as fit as they did in the finales of season 1 and season 3, respectively. And unlike things like hair, makeup and weight, Nina had no control over at least some of the most notable changes in her facial structure. That was a result of shooting the pilot at 19 and moving into her mid 20's.
I'm still glad it was her who was cast, if you weren't so defensive, you'd see my comments as mere observations and shop-talk. Not hate. Up until around mid season 4, I adored Elena and was generally very impressed with Nina's work. Not to mention from a superficial standpoint, her beauty was captivating. *and before you choke on those bunched panties, I'm NOT calling her unattractive Now.
When Rachel was cast as Allie, she was not a household name and if known at all, it was for playing a HS kid. Not only has Nina said REPEATEDLY that she's DONE with HS (I know how well you guys listen to that sentiment on the NIAN front, so...), girlfriend Is No Longer Viable to start in such a TELEVISION role. If she wants to play younger in a film and casting is already partial to her, then good for her if she comes in and blows away the competition. Especially in comedies and rom-coms, where suspension of disbelief is long and strong, it's perfectly possible. Tho she supposedly left TVD for grittier, more adult and challenging roles.
Personally, I think Nina is the PERFECT TV Allie. But I'm talking Nina circa seasons 1 & 2 of TVD. With her personality, physicality and looks, had she come in and read for it as an unknown back then, she would have likely nailed it in a heartbeat. -and that's another thing: the CW is extremely partial toward unknown, fresh faces for their brand new leads and supporting ensembles. They have look books stretching to the moon with such actors, from Vampire Diaries, TO, The 100, and on and on.
Please stop making this so personal. If you are yourself in HS, then I apologize, as it's understandably what you know. But if that Is the case, there are plenty of forums where you can more comfortably interact with like-minded peers. If you want to be on the IMDB message boards, however, know that you're talking not just to all ages, but to MANY industry professionals and folks with far greater life experience, by default. Have a good nite =}
I agree, I can't for the life of me understand the defensiveness.
shareIf she's not coming back,she has no reason to keep it secret,since she didn't sign any deal with them.They can't forbid her to say anything unless she's under contract with them. The fact that she's not 'allowed" to say anything proves that she signed a confidentiality claus in ber deal for her return in my opinion.
shareActually, if she wants to bait fans into believing she will or won't return, she will play her cards right. She is not coming back and when it gets closer to the finale, she is going to announce she won't return like how she waited to say season six is her last. This time it will be in reverse where she isn't in the series finale.
Even if she isn't returning, she can't confirm that to not upset upset fans before the show ends. Trust me, I know her tactic.
Yes she can. Nina is not baiting anyone.JP said that Nina promised, she's fully committed to it ,it's only a matter of schedule.Had Nina told them she wasn't coming back, they would have closed Elena's story by killing her off before the finale.They wouldn't be setting everything up for Elena's return.
You don't want her to come back,so you take your wishes for reality
Nina is not coming back. That hope will be crushed. She even cut her hair to prove it. But keep believing she will. It won't get you anywhere.
shareHave you ever heard of extentions? She used them before and can use them again.Everything is pointing out that she's coming back.And untill they start promoting the finale,we won't know for sure.
shareNah, it just proves that she knows she owes them one. While I agree: she's leading people to believe she's at least showing face in the finale, I'm not remeotely confident that she is. She promised JP, producers and execs that she'd abosolutely, positively come back to put Elena back to bed. In "any way they needed" her. No time in history has a lead who left their show gotten off as scotch-free as Nina did (ranging all the way from crew, cast, production, network, and even Hollywood at large, where she was seemingly not blacklisted by too many casting director, as is often common). So, don't you think that if she's reneging on The Promise, that she's gonna at least toss them a bone for ratings-sake? There's quite a few ad dollars wrapped up in this countdown, as you can imagine...
if she does in fact come back, chances sadly are, it's gonna be for 10% of what fans find satisfactory. -and that's just for the finale...most agree that she really needed to give Elena at LEAST screen time in the last 3 eps, or something to that effect.
No time in history has a lead who left their show gotten off as scotch-free as Nina did (ranging all the way from crew, cast, production, network, and even Hollywood at large, where she was seemingly not blacklisted by too many casting director, as is often common).
You Dobrevics have been playing that "fulfilled contract" record to Fraking smitherines. Enough already! Please, for your own sake, pry open your mind and do a little homework to learn how these things actually work. Contracts are only the LEGAL part. And they come and go, repeatedly, throughout a production. It's not one contract and BOOM, everyone's done. All it means is that the actors won't get sued IF they decide they'd like to walk.
The way that Nina left, the way that others stayed, the 200+ jobs at stake, the network, studio and ad dollars tied into it all, Not To Mention the sour grapes it USUALLY leaves popping on a personal level..,,Nina did in fact get off scotch free. I worked in casting for 8 years and I am telling you as GOSPEL, that she got extremely lucky. We have no idea whether or not some chose not to consider her (based on all this), but she does finally seem to be getting where she'd like to be.
This is all long over and done with tho. Please stop being so defensive and realize that my only point was that she made The Promise that she did because she knew damn well that she owed them one. And again, NOT FOR LEGAL REASONS. One would hope she'd feel the same toward the fandom, but no one can claim that's ever been a major area of interest or concern for Nina. -and this is also why calm and logical minds have always found it incredibly absurd that Ms Dobrev's stans defend her like rabid dogs. It's totally fine to look up to and adore her, but she's doing just fine in the confidence department and has never given a mm of *beep* She didn't even attend cons. Don't even need to spend any allowance money on clues, girlfriend's been hurling 'em out for free (for ages).
She got off scotch free because she did nothing wrong.The deal for everyone was 6 years.The show should have ended after s6.They broke the deal.Nina respected it and moved on.You're pretending that she should have stayed with them as long as they were doing the ahow so they keep making money,if she wasn't into it anymore.That if they wanted to go on till s20,she had to stay.Ridiculously absurd.
sharePLUS: this is NOT a good time for Neens to lose any popularity contests. If she reneged, she knows she's about to lose fans, hundreds of thousands, at LEAST. and not for Breaking one promise, but because they stuck with her after she left and supported someone who isn't exactly known for interacting with the fandom.
So, if she knows that's inevitable, she'd probabably want to put it off for a couple more months.XXX is feverishly drumming up publicity right now and there are people who's jobs it is to make sure actors are seen in their best light leading up to a box office release. It likely wouldn't even just be Nina alone making this decision.
BUT, I, like eveyone, would like nothing more than to be as wrong as a rat beeping a grapefruit.
Prrcisely Nina is not stupid.If fans will dump her because she didn't go back to the show,they're not real fans.Real fans accept and respect her choices even if they disagree with them.Support her in her next step.
Nina made a promise and that's good enough to be sure she will do whatever it takes to keep it.Beside she's not the lead in the movie,she's not carrying the movie.
You're right, she's not the lead or even A lead. But she's hot and popular and being sold feverishly as part of the press package.
As for fans vs stans vs nonfans...it absolutely isn't at all relevant here. My point was simply about numbers. It doesn't matter what category people fall into, I was simply stating that IF she does not show face in Mystic Falls again, of her MILLIONS of social media followers, people who would see her films/follow her career, ETC., she's going to lose at LEAST hundreds of thousands (more). Particularly because there are SO many who have been on the fence since her departure. Many peaced-out immediately, but some decided to be sad but not angry, and hoped that she would at least do right by everyone when the show ended.
You know, RATIONAL people. As opposed to the rabid tween lunatics who actually had the audacity to go after Julie and co., in a ghastly entitled attempt to shut down the entire fraking production, solely because their "Queen" decided to move on.
You can bet that there's not a single person left on that cast who will EVER sign onto another production with a potentially really young fandom again. Not to mention a massive international one...tho that's kind of unavoidable these days. I just feel for them in the hugest of ways. They've given back and given back and given back (JP included) and all they get is beat up on and or waysided. Literally a "make way for The Queen" scenario. Nina never wanted that, but I wish she'd done more to end it.
Nina gave them 2 years notice that she wasn't ginna renew.They should have ended Elena's story in s6.They didn't.Not Nina's fault.Nina promise to come back to end.She didn't owe them that but still did.Hopefully she will keep her promise.Still one ending for her character doesn't need her back:Elena's death.So,unless she's the major character they said ia gonna die, everything is pointing out to Nina's return for the finale.Heck we don't even know if she scretly filmed a few scenes for the 2-3 episodes before the finale.They're starting to film the finale this week till february 3.She can go and film her scenes on the last day,who knows? As long as the promo for the finale didn't start(too early),we can't possibly know if she'll be back or not unless they tell us
shareI don't know why it's so hard to believe that they would want to keep it a secret? What else does this show have at this point? Marketing certainly isn't relevant anymore. The show is just limping its way to the finish line. I personally believe Nina will be back at least for the finale but I don't care either way unless she is coming back to play Katherine.
When your mind breaks the spirit of your soul.
Because Julie had no problem keeping a secret that Nina promised her she would appear for the finale. She flat out told us. At this point, if she is returning she can just address it because we already know she promised Julie. Her return would not surprise people. Most of the fandom is expecting her.
shareDid she really say she promised though? I thought she just said that Nina told her she wanted to come back for the finale. But back then Nina didn't know when the show would end exactly or what her schedule would look like so I think it's hard to make a definite promise under those circumstances.
When your mind breaks the spirit of your soul.
Julie said Nina promised her she would return but now Nina is doing movies and is practicing for dancing with the stars. I don't think Nina thought the show would end so soon. She's busy at this point.
shareIf Julie Plec said that Nina made a promise, which is like saying that Nina is guaranteed to return then what is the point of keeping a "secret" to according to JP what is already guaranteed and promised?
JP has been talking it up like Nina's return has been 100% guaranteed before now, so there is no real secret to be kept.
That's why I don't believe what JP claims about Nina's return, unless Nina comes out herself and confirms it either way. No playing around to keep people guessing.
JP said that the only thing that would keep Nina from coming back for the finale is her schedule.You may not see why they keep her return secret but we do
shareAnd Nina is busy. Your point?
shareNina will have a few days off while they'll be filming.In other words she will have the time to film a few scenes for the finale.
shareBut, it's not truly a "secret" like people are surprised or caught off guard and would be if she returned. So I see no point because it's not really a secret or a suspense/surprise like some are making it sound to cover up for the fact that Nina hasn't confirmed any herself and keeps avoiding Yes/no and saying yes for sure that she will return.
shareNina isn't allowed to confirm or deny anything which proves to me she made a deal with the show runners.That she's back but not allowed to say so.
If she weren't returning,it would mean no deal was made and they can't forbid or allow her anything.She has no contrat with them wich means she could have easily shut that rumor down
Yes, this seems really obvious to me. If she's not returning, then she's under no contract and no obligation to be "keeping secrets" for anyone. Her contract ended with season 6. She made an implied commitment to return to finish Elena's story but she wasn't obligated to. That she is now, a few weeks to the finale, talking about "secrets" means she's got a new contract with the show. The timing of her tour clearly indicates that she's making herself available around the same time they're shooting the finale.
Like... it's not rocket science, people. I know the Bamon fans are still holding onto their finger nails for hope that their toxic ship will become canon but guys, seriously? The fact alone that the "plausibility" of Bamon rests entirely on Nina being available to shoot ONE episode in two seasons is a pretty clear indication that that ship never had a chance of being canon.
I mean, at this point, any one who is denying this is just setting themselves up for a big disappointment.
Except for the fact that with XXX coming out, she's under obligation to a whole new set of execs, not to suddenly lose hundred of thousands of former fans in an afternoon.
She also may be doing it as a last ditch effort at a "favor" for Julie, Kevin and Mark/the studio that so wholly supported her. If she say she's not in any of it NOW, they lose the masses who were waiting with baited breath for Nina. You may think ratings don't matter anymore, but it's not that simple. There are still loads of ad dollars tied into the remainder of the show, numbers Julie still needs to meet, reputations to uphold, E T C.
Did you hear Mike Narducci just left TO? Which btw, not only had a bunch of numbers BS shove it to midseason, but it's been on a high wire act where another season is concerned. There are a lot of reasons why the remainder of TVD needs to hit its top potential. Everyone involved supported the living *beep* out of Nina, perhaps she's just sheepishly attempting to lift a finger (after utterly and completely ducking them all over...along with the fandom...)
With every post that I read from you I become less convinced of A) Your objectivity, simply because of the sheer amount of words you have invested in this, B) your actual knowledge of TV, c) ability to apply common sense, D) sense of personal awareness.
Like someone else has already mentioned, this seems to be an obsession of yours, a hobby horse or a dead horse that you want to beat into submission and everyone else who has an opinion that differs from yours. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a "Dobrevic" maniac, they just disagree.
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She is not coming back. That's the thing. The network is not gonna let her confirm she is not returning. Keep lying to yourself.
shareI don't remember if the context of Julie's statement suggested a "promise" or if she was just repeating what Nina said. But I'm inclined to side with those who think it's possible Nina may not be returning. I just don't see what would be the advantage in not using Nina's return as a means of promoting the final episode.
I know I'm a vampire, Snookie.
From a marketing perspective, you're right, it doesn't make sense. Maybe Julie is just petty because her star left the show and she wants to prove that TVD attracts viewers without Nina.
But from a writing perspective, it sort of makes sense. This season is headed in a direction where I legitimately see no redemption for either Stefan or Damon. It's already halfway through and these two just keep getting worse and the other characters keep reminding us how awful they are and how they aren't worthy of forgiveness. Confirming that Elena is coming back just ruins that because we know that the show will tie things up in a neat HEA with Damon/Elena, Elena forgiving Damon (and Stefan? idk) and this whole season of sins just being wiped clean. That would be extremely frustrating, as a viewer, because then what is the point of any of season 8? So I think it makes sense to keep us guessing whether or not Elena will be coming back or whether these two assh-les will end up getting what they deserve: death.
A rose is just a rose.
I can't comment on the writing this season because I stopped watching the show, but what you said sounds like the usual writing for TVD. Damon killing Elena's brother wasn't a deal breaker for Elena or Delena fans. Likewise, Stefan going on murder sprees wasn't a deal breaker for Elena or Stelena fans. That's how this shows rolls. So with that in mind, most of the characters (particularly Damon and Stefan) have been doing unforgivable things since day one. That still hasn't stopped the EPs and writers of TVD from glossing over all the horrible things the main characters do in favor appeasing the shippers who still love Stelena, Delena, Steroline, or whatever other ship fandoms they still like to cater to.
However, I was talking about it from a marketing perspective rather than the perspective of the current storylines since I haven't seen this season. Nina was one of the main leads and left the show before it was over. One of her characters was involved in two of the show's lead romances. So yes, from a marketing perspective it doesn't make sense that the CW wouldn't use TVD's lead female returning as a promotional tool to try boosting viewership for the finale episodes. They wouldn't even have to elaborate on when specifically Nina is returning (like if it's for more than one episode or not) or how big her role is in the finale. A vague tease that Nina will be a part of the show's conclusion without confirming how much screen time she'll have or giving away any spoilers would be a sufficient enough marketing ploy to get people talking about the remaining episodes. That could also help draw back in some of the fans who stopped watching during the past couple of seasons. If they can't even commit to a vague tease about the lead actress coming back then that kind of looks like she's not returning and they don't want to the audience to know about her absence before the finale.
I know I'm a vampire, Snookie.
Yeah, it's not really out of the ordinary. I just figured the final season would be leaving a statement of some kind; some type of ultimate redemption, ultimate punishment, an earned HEA or a realistic ending etc. Also, what's slightly different (I know you haven't watched), is that we are constantly being told by characters like Matt, Tyler, Caroline, hell even the villains, that what Damon/Stefan is doing should never be forgiven or that Elena would never forgive Damon. Why make such a fuss over that idea of forgiveness at the end of the line, if not to show some sort of penance or justice. Usually in the show, the characters justify whatever murder spree they have to undertake because it's to save so-and-so's life or it's for the greater good.
As I said, you're right about marketing. Nina's return would give a significant boost, for those who want solely to tune in to see her endgame or to see some cute reunion no matter the endgame. But, would it matter what the ratings are at this point? The show's proven it can continue without Nina, and since it's concluding, do the finale ratings mean anything? It's not up for renewal, it's going to get its DVD release anyways (I assume), and it's guaranteed a boost by virtue of it being a finale. Many old viewers will tune in to see how it all ended either way and since Nina's return is neither confirmed nor denied, viewers who wanted to see Nina may tune in out of curiosity to see if she did indeed return. It keeps some of the mystery of the ending.
For me, knowing Nina's coming back is a guaranteed Delena ending. Not knowing means there's still a chance that Damon (and Stefan, maybe) will die or meet some grim fate. I like it better like this.
A rose is just a rose.
I did a quick a search to see if Julie said anything about a promise and apparently she did but there was also a quote saying that Nina and her kind of agreed but obviously things can change over time. Julie didn't make it sound like it was a certainty. I don't see how marketing really matters anymore? It's not going to bring in any more money because the ratings this season are weak and the ad prices are based on the ratings that have been throughout the season. Nina coming back isn't going to make for a shock increase in those prices.
What they do care about is probably giving the fans that are left an exciting finale that isn't entirely predictable. Also wheter Nina is coming back or not is the only buzz this show has left so if they confirmed that she was indeed back it would be everywhere and then it would soon die down. Having it be uncertain keeps people engaged.
When your mind breaks the spirit of your soul.
Didn't Nina do an interview after she left with EW, and in that interview she said she would come back for the series finale?
My ass may be dumb, but I ain't no dumbass...
Julie told EW, VF, plus other mags, plus press that a heartfelt and very serious PROMISE was made. Happy to link you to the articles, but you'll easily find them with a googling.
I agree that it's hard to know what the future held at time of said promise, but they kept in touch with her, kept her abreast of the show's remaining time line and promised HER they they would spare nothing to completely shoot around her schedule. And yet, somehow, Nina's schedule has still managed to remain utterly in the way. If you follow her online, you know what bollocks this is. It's simply polite for, "she doesn't want to come back and we recognize all the *beep* Ian's been talking isn't exactly helping..."
And before anyone says anything to the contrary, by "schedule," I meant WORK. Not the playtime, events and partying that IF she wants to come back, she will of course take a brief break from.
It's like when a boy or estranged friend isn't calling you. And then they say they were too busy. But you know NO ONE is so busy that they can't at least text to say they are. If someone gives a *beep* about someone/something, they will ALWAYS find a way to make it a priority.
Whatever you need to tell yourself
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shareThey're going to Hell AND Nina and Ian have refused further "Delenaing"....all signs point toward Katherine Pierce (IF Nina goes back).
There's also quite a bit of fidgeting with CGI that's been going on as well. Hoping that keeps to a bare minimum tho.
I believe she'll be back, even if it's only for a few scenes. I don't see why she wouldn't return.
My ass may be dumb, but I ain't no dumbass...
I need her to be back if only to see the Bamon fans completely lose it over her return. So many of them seem to equate Nina's absence = romantic Bamon endgame, long past the possibility of it making any kind of sense.
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