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A 67.3% Drop Makes Suicide Squad The Third Largest Superhero Film Drop


Behind BVS and Fantastic Four 2015.


It made it below 65. Yikes.


There's an indicator of the Word Of Mouth right there.

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Considering that Sausage Party and Pete's Dragon both came out the same week, this is actually pretty good for Suicide Squad. Especially considering the general audience weren't very familiar with the characters. Where as BvS, it had the two most iconic superheroes of all time together for the first time on film, and there was nothing going against it in it's first few weeks. Yet BvS had a bigger drop than Suicide Squad on it's second weekend. Let that sink in for a minute.

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And yet, it made $465.4 million in just two weeks.

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Because it was frontloaded like BVS, with heavy marketing and a massive wide release.



It doesn't speak for the quality of the film.

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So was Ghostbusters, and look how that turned out.

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I agree Ghostbusters is better and this movie is FLOP.

And also why is Haley Qinn is FAT in this movie?

Chris Evans: the original guyliner


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We should all be so lucky to have a girlfriend that "fat."

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We should all be so lucky to have a girlfriend that "fat."

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Internationally, Civil War opened in Italy yesterday, grossing an estimated $1.2 million, just 5% behind the opening day for Avengers: Age of Ultron as its international cume now totals $261.6 million after eight days in release. The film opens in Russia and Argentina today and China tomorrow. We won't be able to draw direct comparisons to Ultron's opening in China as it debuted on a Monday, and brought in over $155 million for its first week in release before bringing in over $240 million for its complete run.

Before opening in the US, Civil War brought in $261 mill overseas.
With a $179.1 million opening weekend, Civil War not only scored the fifth largest opening of all-time, it is the third largest opening for a film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). In fact, compared to the other standalone franchises in the MCU, the Captain America franchise continues to show the greatest film-over-film growth as Civil War's opening is a 91.3% increase over the opening for Captain America: The Winter Soldier.

Of course, heading into the weekend, expectations were undoubtedly high as Civil War looked as if it may be able to become only the fourth film to top $200 million in its first three days. The film's reported, $250 million budget is on par with the budget for Avengers: Age of Ultron and, given the film's sheer size and scope, Civil War plays much more like an Avengers film than your typical Marvel, standalone character feature. Added to that, Civil War saw great reviews heading into the weekend (91% on RottenTomatoes), record Fandango pre-sales for a superhero film, more premium ticket options and 3-D theaters than Ultron and the premiere of two new superheroes. Yet, don't for a second think of the film's opening as a disappointment.

Civil War scored an "A" CinemaScore, and solid holds over its first three days in release suggest a stellar domestic run is in the offing. Should it play out on par with the likes of The Winter Soldier it will end up around $290 million domestically by next Sunday and could surpass $425 million overall depending on how it holds on once X-Men: Apocalypse hits theaters on May 20.

Globally the film's total is now up to $673.1 million after launching internationally last weekend and bringing in a $217 million from overseas markets this weekend. In fact, with $494 million internationally after just two weeks, it has already surpassed the lifetime international cumes of Captain America ($194M), Iron Man ($267M), Thor ($268M), Iron Man 2 ($312M), Ant-Man ($339M), Thor: The Dark World ($438M), Guardians of the Galaxy ($440M) and Captain America: The Winter Soldier ($455M).

It had $673 mill by the close of opening weekend in the US.

Yet you all are comparing it to this film’s drop?



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GOTG also suffered a massive drop as well. What's your point?

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GOTG also suffered a massive drop as well. What's your point?



No it didn't.


It's 55.3% drop is considered healthy.


http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=marvel2014a.htm




Why are you making up nonsense?



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And yet, SS was still able to make more on it's second weekend than GOTG did.

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Barely, and because it opened much bigger.


Guardians was holding it's own.


SS is sinking fast with these percentages.

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All you're proving is that people actually rushed to go see SS more than GOTG in the first few weeks.

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All you're proving is that people actually rushed to go see SS more than GOTG in the first few weeks.



That's heavy marketing though, not Word of Mouth.



WOM is what judges the quality of a film, and a 67% drop is terrible WOM.

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I don't know, I seem to remember GOTG being heavily marketed as well.

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But no way near as much as Suicide Squad... Here in Australia the ads for Suicide Squad was immense in number and printed media was everywhere.

GOTG felt much less exposure... Unless they showed the ads late at night.

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Batman and Flash weren't even advertised. There was still people asking if this was connected to BvS. As for The Joker and Harley Quinn, this is an entirely different Joker in a non-Batman movie, and the general audience aren't as familiar with Harley Quinn as we are. Yeah, she's a very popular character, but non-comic book readers aren't going to rush out and see it for Harley Quinn. This is her first time in a live-action film, so she doesn't have that exposer yet.

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Batman wasn't advertised? So, in the trailer, who was that guy that swept down with his cloak billowing in the wind? Who was driving the batmobile? Was it a Google car?

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😂

Instead of just waiting for their turn to speak.
- Marla

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Batman featured in the trailers, and while HQ featured heavily in he Arkham games. Considering that video games are the most popular form of entertainment today, I would say that HQ was more well known than you think she is

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Why do you keep repeating this?

You know SS opened 40 million higher. Don't you?

Instead of just waiting for their turn to speak.
- Marla

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What are you talking about?

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What are you talking about?


The difference in weekend take has shrunk from 40 million, to 1.5 million.

Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

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The fact that you've said this:

And yet, SS was still able to make more on it's second weekend than GOTG did.


On two different threads.

Even though it's basically meaningless. If anything, the second weekend numbers cast GOTG in a better light.


Instead of just waiting for their turn to speak.
- Marla

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Guardians was also a movie based on a comic practically no one had ever heard of. SS did trailers heavy on the joker and Harley because they knew those were the only important characters that anyone really recognized or cared about. I had never planned to see GOTG until some of my friends convinced me and I was very surprised. I saw SS this past Friday and both me and my wife wanted our $18 back.

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And yet, SS was still able to make more on it's second weekend than GOTG did.

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So a film starring A lister Will Smith and Sex symbol Margot Robbie and who has the most iconic villain of all time marketed heavy in the trailers while not having a lot of time in the film, besides batman(the most pop super hero in the film) being marketed in the trailers too... had a bigger opening than a film starring the chubby guy from prac and rec,a wrestling superstar, an actress who only geek sci fi guys can notice who she is with all the weird makeup in the films she has... ohhh and bradley cooper and vin diesel whom the majority of the general audience didnt know they were there because of you know cgi racoon and big hulking tree...It just proves our point that the quality of Gotg is the biggest difference in dropping less than SS in the 2nd week...Now things shall be very different for Gotg2...

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That is not the only point he makes

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SP and PD weren't considered competition at all.

Until SP beat SS on Friday.

And while it's true that BvS should have done better than SS, you can hardly say the audience isn't very familiar with the characters. Everyone knows who the Joker is, and of course the trailers featured almost every second he was on screen.

That's a big reason why it had a large OW, and now a steep drop off.

Warner are great at marketing and using well known properties to boost the take, but terrible at delivering great films that the audience recommends.

Instead of just waiting for their turn to speak.
- Marla

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Joker was all over the marketing.

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Considering that Sausage Party and Pete's Dragon both came out the same week, this is actually pretty good for Suicide Squad.


Pretty good? For a movie like this that competition is a dream sceanario. Neither of those films should have given this movie a run for its money. Going up against them should of been the equivalent of Michael Phelps getting on the starting stand and finding out his competition is a one legged guy to his left and a child to his right. Is a remake of Pete's Dragon (which no one was asking for) competing for the same audience as this film? It's a film whose audience will be predominantly preteen and Sausage Party should not have given this film a run for its money like it did. Not like the audience for an R rated animated film made on a small budget is scary competition.

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Another hypocrite. It also up against olympics and still its on top at the boxoffice 2nd week straight only a hypocritical troll would say thats bad

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Another hypocrite. It also up against olympics and still its on top at the boxoffice 2nd week straight only a hypocritical troll would say thats bad



You seem very insecure in your opinions if you're name calling. Sad.


Even thinking you know better than The Hollywood Reporter....that's laughable.



This is in the summer box office with virtually no major competition in the genre during the second week and it's still a massive drop.



Bad WOM.

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for a non kiddie film? good news

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While the movie will likely make a profit, the steep weekend-to-weekend drop is a bad sign. A movie being very front-loaded means that most of its performance comes from hype and pre-release marketing, not from actual audience enjoyment and word of mouth. It doesn't bode well for future movies.

I can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people.

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It doesn't bode well for future movies.


This is the most important failure of Suicide Squad. WB was short-sighted to overhype Suicide Squad and BvS. Now, even if they could manage to make a good movie out of WW or Justice League, the BO will suffer because of DCEU fatigue, moreso than general superhero oversaturation. Big problems for the DCEU.



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OP is an idiot... Percentage drop is irrelevant without the corresponding salient statistics, especially given Suicide Squad's opening weekend was a record-breaking box office amount of over $133 MILLION domestically! The fact of the matter is Suicide Squad's second weekend has the movie STILL at NUMBER ONE in the Box Office, with a very healthy near $44 million domestically and a whopping $465,374,728 total within just TEN DAYS... So like I said, OP in an IDIOT 

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See, percentage drops is how you measure trends, not absolute numbers.

The trend for SS is down, very quickly. That's why the comparison to GotG wasn't a smart move from the DCEU fanboys - GotG is a movie that had great holds. Starting Monday, we're most likely going to see the current gap in take between the two, start to dwindle - fairly rapidly.

Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

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Thrend went from smoking gotg down to slightly beqting them everyday.

Post this crap when numbera axtually fall below gotg's.

Also a trend would be everyday for the past weekm the only large percentage drop was from opening night rwat of tue nimbers are consistant and higher than gotg.

So there is no "trend" so far. Only a anonmoly which can be explain by the excellent late advertising and the faxt that dc character are beloved.

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Post this crap when numbera axtually fall below gotg's.


That's just a matter of time.

The difference for opening weekend was 40 million. For this weekend it looks to be 1.5 million, if the estimates hold.

Some time next week, we'll start seeing SS's numbers drop below GotG's, barring some kind of freak occurrence.

Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

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You need to go back to school and learn MATHEMATICAL STATISTICS... Percentages by themselves are utterly meaningless... FACT. Goodbye. The End.

I'll leave this for you to ponder... 99% drop in box office takings for 'MOVIE A' from 1st weekend as compared with 2nd weekend... What does that tell you? Absolutely NOTHING is what that tells you... Because you don't have sufficient information for that to be anything other than MEANINGLESS... Now add to that the following information, namely that the 1st weekend box office takings for 'MOVIE A' were $500,000,000,000 = $500 BILLION, which means that 99% drop in box office takings for 'MOVIE A' from 1st weekend as compared with 2nd weekend the 2nd weekend takings for 'MOVIE A' = $5 BILLION... Which would by no means be even remotely poor box office performance despite the drop being 99%... Similarly circa $44 million weekend for Suicide Squad is not bad at all and the high percentage drop is only because it had a record-breakingly-massive opening weekend box office performance... Capiche? 

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99% drop in box office takings for 'MOVIE A' from 1st weekend as compared with 2nd weekend... What does that tell you? Absolutely NOTHING is what that tells you...


Actually, it tells me that there was an extreme drop in attendance at the theatres for that movie.

Edit, to expound on that:

It tells me that the movie probably wasn't very well liked, because it's extremely unlikely that all cinemas have dropped their prices by 99%, that the movie was dropped from 99% of all theatres at the same time or something equally outrageous.

A drop in attendance by 99% can mean a few things like, for instance, an outbreak of cholera leaving 99% of the audience bedridden or dead, 99% of the audience being hit by buses on the way to the second weekend screening, or, a lot more likely, something went wrong with the movie.

What could have gone wrong with the movie? Well, I suppose it could have been lost or burned/deleted at 99% of all theatres, or, a lot more likely, it just wasn't very good.

Now, a drop is inevitable. It pretty much can't be helped. But if a movie has good word of mouth and reviews, it's a lot less likely to have a big drop. Meaning that your 99% drop movie was probably pretty bad, if it could only attract 1% of the total number of people opening weekend for the second weekend.

And I really don't need to know how much it made the first weekend, in order to know all those things.

Simply because of probability.

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In short NO NO NO... You are only further demonstrating your ignorance regarding how and how not to process data with respect to statistics... And your clearly don't understand how PROBABILITY works either... So don't use words like PROBABILITY without knowing how they function or are appicable with respect to mathematical statistics... I have given you an irrefutable by definition example of how singular percentage change is meaningless by itself and yet you have attempted to argue against it, which says it all really... in short, NO a singular 99% drop as per my example is NEITHER indicative of any TREND, NOR is it indicative of any PROBABILITY whatsoever, without further salient data... Here's a lesson in how PROBABILITY actually works... If, as per my example, MOVIE A were to have an opening weekend box office takings in the order of $500 BILLION then because this amount is so massively STATISTICALLY greater than the historical AVERAGE then the PROBABILITY will be exceptionally high that there will be a high comparative drop with the 2nd weekend box office takings, but where at the same time the box office performance is nothing other than excellent. As is precisely the situation with Suicide Squad whose box office performance, with record-breaking opening weekend of over $134 and second weekend of over $44 with total Worldwide over $465 milliom in just 10 days is very good box office performance indeed, and in fact towards the upper end of the movie box office STATISTICAL STANDARD DEVIATION and VARIANCE.

You clearly don't even know what mathematical PROBABILITY means, or TRENDS, or VARIANCE etc... Nor how to apply these to real world situations... Back to school for you! Oh God, why am I even bothering writing this because it's clear any such explanation is completely wasted on you... sheez!

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in short, NO a singular 99% drop as per my example is NEITHER indicative of any TREND


In box office, it very much is. All movies trend downwards after the first weekend - some just do it faster. And every every single drop is measured from what remains of the last drop.

You can try to spin it with all manner of math, but that won't change that simple fact.

Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

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Percentage drop is irrelevant without the corresponding salient statistics, especially given Suicide Squad's opening weekend was a record-breaking box office amount of over $133 MILLION domestically!

Fine. Let's compare record-holders:

January: American Sniper. Dropped 27.6%
February: Deadpool. Dropped 57.4%
March: Batman v Superman. Dropped 69.1%
April: Furious 7. Dropped 59.5%
May: The Avengers. Dropped 50.3%
June: Jurassic World. Dropped 49.0%
July: Harry Potter 8. Dropped 72%
August: Suicide Squad. Dropped 67.3%
September: Hotel Transylvania 2. Dropped 31.5%
October: Gravity. Dropped 22.6%
November: The Hunger Games 2. Dropped 53.1%
December: Star Wars VII. Dropped 39.8%

So, in terms of monthly record holders, SS has the third-largest drop from weekend to weekend. You may also notice that the top three drops from a cluster, and then there's a gap of nearly 8 percentage points until the next one.

If you wish to repeat the experiment with movies that had openings larger than SS and compare its drop to theirs, you'll find that it's a smaller drop than BvS, Harry Potter, and the Twilight movies, but larger than the rest. Which places it sixth out of 20.

The drop is large relative to other superhero movies, it's large relative to absolute record holders, and it's large relative to other monthly record holders. It would take some contrived and tortuous reasoning to try and argue that SS's drop is anything but unusually large.

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FYI Percentage drops by themselves are both IRRELEVANT and MEANINGLESS

Suicide Squad has indeed experienced an extraordinarily (by definition) large drop, but that's because of it's massive record-breaking opening weekend, and it's concomitant with with excellent box office performance; which includes:

(1) Breaking the world record for opening weekend for August by a whopping $40 MILLION as compared with the previous record-holder, namely Guardians Of The Galaxy

(2) Being 1st place in the box office for BOTH first and second weekends, with the latter being over $44 Million domestically; which, most movies do not even achieve with respect to their OPENING/1ST weekend!

(3) Totalling over $465 MILLION in just 10 days!

So all of you naysayers stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

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(3) Totalling over $465 MILLION in just 10 days!

100% Incorrect. Foreign markets start opening 2 days before the domestic market dumbass.


So foreign markets open 2 days earlier... meaning the accurate facts are: "Totalling over $465 MILLION in just 12 days!" and so how does "(3) Totalling over $465 MILLION in just 10 days!" qualify as being "100% Incorrect" when the over $465 MILLION fact is 100% factually correct? Idiot. 

Here's a question for you... Has BvS been a box office failure or a success? I am genuinely interested in your opinion... In case you need reminding the TOTAL Box Office takings worldwide are over $872 MILLION

And Suicide Squad is already totalling over $465 MILLION in 10 days since US release and 12 days internationally (factoring in your 2 days earlier international opening splitting of hairs)... So please explain how in what universe is this a bad thing? 

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Well as it happens I agree with what you say here... But please note that calling me "a dumbass" when everything I stated in my post was in fact 100% factually correct except singularly for it being 12 days as opposed to 10 days (which is splitting hairs and hence essentially not really massively relevant) was somewhat uncalled for... But you are forgiven already 

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FYI Percentage drops by themselves are both IRRELEVANT and MEANINGLESS


Percentage drops tell you how quickly the audience attendance drops. It's neither irrelevant nor meaningless.

Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

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Percentage drops tell you how quickly the audience attendance drops. It's neither irrelevant nor meaningless.


Well, for these DC Fanboys drops are not relevant when they are telling their beloved movie is starting to do it bad. Then, only the current gross matter. However, when the movie fails to do all the thing they say it will do, this guy here will be one of the first cowards to run away to never be seen in the board again. You have no idea how many threads I am saving for the future.

FROM:"Save me Batman, please, save me" WB and MOS TO:"Save me Product Placement, save me" WB and BvS

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Not necessarily. He could switch to the, box office doesn't matter, this movie was made for "the fans", "adults", etc. route.


... and then start over for the next one.

Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

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Yes, he will probably do that, but I think with a sock account. Look what happened to mello and others in the BvS board, they all disappeared, but coincidentally very similar new accounts started to pop up.

FROM:"Save me Batman, please, save me" WB and MOS TO:"Save me Product Placement, save me" WB and BvS

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lol wom my assss. 80% of the time wom does not affect any shttt. just take a look at ghost buster, star trek beyond where is the word of mouth on those film. where is the word of mouth on transformer films.

i guess one possible reason for this drop on SS is that almost all fans and people has come to watch it in the opening weekends while on other superhero films they waited for the 2nd/3rd etc hence a bit fewer percentage drop on those and a bit big on SS because almost all the people have already seen it in the first week.

this doesnt mean shtt anyway. total gross is what matters.

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total gross is what matters.


Yeah. And right now, SS looks to be heading towards a sub-300 million US take, and a sub-600 million total WW take.

And if, by some miracle, it manages to pass 300/600, it will do it by a slim margin.

Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

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So how is those numbers bad?

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So how is those numbers bad?


I didn't say they were bad. In fact, they're decent. Not great, not bad.

Just like with BvS, people here are just getting ahead of themselves, thinking that SS has a chance to take on GotG,for instance. I'm just pointing out that reality looks a bit different.

Currently, SS is pretty much following in BvS's footsteps. If it continues to do that, it will finish up below 600 million WW, and won't be anywhere near GotG.

Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

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Ss has matched or bested gotg everyday so far. Gotg made 130 million in its next three weeks.

If trends continue that would put ss at 352 mill after four weeks. Hmmmmmmm

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You know what else bested GOTG the first two plus weeks? BVS. How did that turn out? Not well domestically and barely well WW. Yeah, exactly.

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How did that not turn out good? BvS made nearly 900 million dollars ww. How on earth is that bad?

"I will not be strong armed by threats against my laundry"

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How did that not turn out good? BvS made nearly 900 million dollars ww. How on earth is that bad?


Another butthurt DC Fanboy twisting facts and lying (their favorite sport). They are clearly talking about domestic numbers. Because it wasn't looking good for crappy SS, you diverted to WW. Cowards.

FROM:"Save me Batman, please, save me" WB and MOS TO:"Save me Product Placement, save me" WB and BvS

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They are also talking about ww numbers. Learn how to read properly.

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I know the logic of the haters is baffling

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Really? Ha, ha, ha, ha..... These butthurt Fanboys (jerlot65) enjoy eating crow. Poor people.

FROM:"Save me Batman, please, save me" WB and MOS TO:"Save me Product Placement, save me" WB and BvS

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"Enjoy eating crow"
ummm okay. Trying to call others butthurt nerds when you come across sounding like the biggest nerd here with those 3 words. Anyway, @scienceguy said it best:

OP is an idiot... Percentage drop is irrelevant without the corresponding salient statistics, especially given Suicide Squad's opening weekend was a record-breaking box office amount of over $133 MILLION domestically! The fact of the matter is Suicide Squad's second weekend has the movie STILL at NUMBER ONE in the Box Office, with a very healthy near $44 million domestically and a whopping $465,374,728 total within just TEN DAYS... So like I said, OP in an IDIOT


Just to piss of the haters a little more. I've recruited a few friends that haven't seen it yet, to go with me today. This is my 3rd viewing.

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OP is an idiot... Percentage drop is irrelevant without the corresponding salient statistics, especially given Suicide Squad's opening weekend was a record-breaking box office amount of over $133 MILLION domestically!


When some one knows noting (I mean is ignorant) it is irrelevant to try to make them reason. But I will humor your. Let's keep it simple for you and stay domestic:

$166 million OW


Do you recognize these numbers? I will help. That's the record opening weekend made by BvS. If percentage drop is irrelevant without the corresponding salient statistic, especially given Suicide Squad's opening weekend was a record-breaking box office amount of over $133 MILLION domestically, can you please post here the final domestic numbers for BvS and the final domestic numbers for GoG. Please? Please, Ash_Hail_To_The_King_Baby, do it since drops are irrelevant. After posting them. Explain how is that your hero's, @scienceguy, premise didn't apply to a movie that BvS movie with an even huger opening weekend.

FROM:"Save me Batman, please, save me" WB and MOS TO:"Save me Product Placement, save me" WB and BvS

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I fail to see how any of that is bad. It's like you're trying to make points against SS, but keep coming up short.

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I fail to see how any of that is bad.


Exactly, thanks for proving my point.

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Disturbing drop and undeserved. Great movie but GOTG was a much better and funner movie and WOM was simply better.

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