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Hoax or not consider this...


I saw the film yesterday night and I heard a lot about single scenes and that it was a hoax and I read many or the review so I thought I was prepared for what I got to see. Stupid me! After 10 minutes watching with my mouth open and not being able to turn my eyes away from the TV, I stopped the film and got a big sip out of the Ouzo bottle in my fridge and thought ‘Hell, there is not alcohol on this planet for sitting through this. Well, I needed a few more sips and I managed to finish it. What stayed was a feeling of shock and deep sadness.

In my opinion, even if I had another one before, this film was not meant to be a hoax from the beginning but got to be one after a special happening and that was when somebody, in the film JP is blaming Anton for this, talked to the media about it. None of the people in this film is such a good actor, some of the people are no actors at all and acted very convincing in their ‘roles’. I’m now pretty sure that it was meant to be maybe some sort of ‘an actors way up to be a rapper’ thing or whatever and then changed into the thing we saw now with faked scene put in later to sell this whole thing as a worthwhile idea. But that are only my 2ct. Besides does anybody notice that it looks like JP never changed his trousers in the whole timeframe? I mean this beige/brown thing hanging down at the back of his knees.

However, hoax or not, what I would like to know is: What mentally sane director/producer/studio will ever work with him again? Considering that almost the whole world has heard about him retiring and about this hoax but never watched the movie (hopefully). Whoever will work with him again must be very brave because who says that JP is not doing something like that again?

Or is he about to release his rap album this summer and this was only for promotion?

What I do not understand at all is: Why, if this was really a hoax, is there no new film in pre-production or announced for him after 2008? And why are his agent and publicist are not responding to any messages regarding his person and/or planned movies or alike? (Heard that from some media people).

I really liked him as an actor especially in ‘We Own The Night’ and ‘Ladder 49’ but now I am not able to enjoy this movies anymore because of this… don’t know what to call it.

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Of course it's all acted. It's so obvious. It's a funny film, and to say nobody cared about his "downfall" is bs. The media couldn't get enough of it, which was one of the points.

On another note, he's a lead in Paul Thomas Anderson's upcoming film, so yeah, I think his acting career is fine.

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My girlfriend and I have different opinions about this. I think it was a hoax and she says it was real.

My argument is that JP used to sing as a young child and began acting at a young age. And before this film came out he did another a little film called "Walk the Line" in which he played singer Johnny Cash. JP's voice was used on the soundtrack and it sold fairly well. So lets assume that he knows what a good musical voice is. While rapping he is completely out of breath and not on cue, even in the recordings. You think he all of a sudden forgot what is an acceptable voice for singing or rapping? Not likely. Did you hear his songs that he played for P Diddy? Obviously it was a piss take meant to be laughable.

Someone had said before "NOBODY is that good an actor". Well folks, he was acting. Give the man some credit. He's been doing it for a long time.

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The snow angels bit was *beep* hilarious. I cried :D In fact the entire film is funny (tinged with contempt for Hollywood)

Lets build a snowman!

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as far as I can see there's only one big problem with the whole thing namely that absolutely nobodoy CARED about his stupid publicity stunt (or call it performance art if that makes you feel better). ultimately, it's doubly embarassing. first embarrassment, Phoenix made a sad little movie that nobody wanted to see and nobody wanted to pay any money for. second embarrassment, he took himself out of the Hollywood game and purposefully diminished his marketing value as a movie star. that would have been okay but only if he'd stopped acting for good, because then he'd have made a point by sacrificing something real, by leaving the system he so despises. But he didn't quit, in fact he's now kissing ass and sucking his way back to the top. so yeah, the joke's on entirely him and on him alone. he's dropped his pants and everyone is laughing at his tiny dick. it's like the kid playing hide and seek, only he hides himself so well that his friends eventually give up and just walk away, what should he do? how can he save face? he was either too intelligent or too stupid to play the game...we'll never know and we'll never care.
this whole mockumentary thing was doomed from the star. it could not have worked either way. even if it was hugely successful and made tons of money, then its whole method and message would turn into a dishonest lie. he wanted to prove that you can fart the audience right into the face and they will still pay you for it. turns out that he's not even very good at farting, at least he's not subtle enough to deceive the stupid masses. fact is, today's audiences have become are very good at deciphering different layers of meta and intertextuality. they were born into and shaped by the age of information. they have a highly developed sense for complex codes and structures folding back in on themselves. that's what keeps them interested, that what keeps them engaged with the system. childish, profane criticism of this and that (for example celebrity cult) will be dropped as fast as it gets picked up. this might have worked 25 years ago, today the hoax has to be a lot more sophisticated.
or let's try another angle: since the project relied on Joaquin's former status as a super celibrity maybe he just wasn't as popular as he initially thought (and boom, there goes the vanity trap). it was simply a very ill-advised project and I don't blame him for trying to make it go away as soon as possible.

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'As far as I can see there's only one big problem with the whole thing namely that absolutely nobodoy CARED about his stupid publicity stunt (or call it performance art if that makes you feel better).'

Well obviously ppl DO care (yourself included) if we're on message boards discussing it. If ppl really didn't give a crap about this film then it would have been forgotten the moment after it was pulled from theatres but to have ppl still talking about it almost 3 yrs after its release has to count for something.

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The millennials are the least media savvy I've ever seen. They swallow any Facebook posting as real, any YouTube video as real, and every editorial and rant as 'real news.'

Fact is, most people fell for the hoax (and reality tv as a whole), and are too embarrassed to admit it.

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considering he was just nominated for another oscar for his tremendous performance in 'the Master'...the joke appears to be on you!

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yes it is a hoax, he confirms it on Letterman 2010, watch the interview.

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