Ummmmm you are aware that Batman and Bruce Wayne ARE THE SAME PERSON???
Geez no wonder you don’t like the movie, you’re too stupid to even understand the most basic of plot points.
This was such a great movie, even though the action scenes we got with Bruce Wayne suited up as Batman were not enough. Actually, that's my only complaint with the whole trilogy.
shareI agree it was an amazing movie, I went to the midnight premiere the night it came out and when I got home I couldn’t sleep for 2 hours because I couldn’t get over how satisfying it was. I actually think its the best in the whole trilogy and its easily the greatest conclusion to any trilogy IMO.
shareweakest of the trilogy , 6 out of 10
shareGreatest Batman film ever 10 out of 10
shareHa nope. The Dark Knight was better in every single way.
shareThe Dark Knight is great and if you think it's better I won't argue with you, to me they are both 10/10 but I give a slight edge to TDKR because it's a more emotional and character driven film IMO.
shareI do not even consider TDKR to be in the same ballpark of TDK. The Dark Knight is a masterpiece TDKR is not. I consider TDK to be a 10/10. I consider Batman Begins to be an 8.5-9/10. TDKR I give a 6/10. It is too long and has way too many issues for me to give it any higher than that.
shareWell I'm sorry it was too long for your short attention span but that's a you problem.
TDKR was just as good as TDK, in my opinion it's better but if you give the edge to TDK I'm not going to argue with you. They are the best and second best comic book movies ever made.
See and then the insults start. TDK was 13 minutes shorter. The difference was it held my attention where as TDKR did not. It dragged in many areas and had too many issues. So my attention span is just fine you just are now bent out of shape I do not love the film like you do. That is your problem not mine. I did not insult you for loving it, do not insult me for not enjoying it as much as you.
No there are other comic book movies which surpass TDKR. Avengers Infinity War, and several others were better than TDKR.
Not an insult at all, just a thorough examination of your attention span and maturity.
TDKR did not drag at all, first time I saw it I was glued to the screen and honestly I didn’t want it to end. You just aren’t smart enough to appreciate the deep themes of TDKR.
No that was an insult. I can have an attention span as well as maturity and not enjoy TDKR. It is ignorant to think otherwise.
Yes it did drag. There you go again with the insults. Okay let me play that game. The reason you enjoy it is because you lack intelligence. How would you like me saying that?
It wasn’t, I was hoping you’d recognize that movies like TDKR are over your head so maybe you’ll seek out other movie that are closer to your intelligence level. You should be thanking me.
How did it drag? There is not a single moment that dragged. The plot was always moving forward and not only that but it was engaging and thought provoking. You know kiddies are likely to think films like The Godfather drag but mature adults who are smart enough to appreciate it won’t think so.
How was it not? So what you are saying is the only way someone can dislike TDKR is if they lack intelligence. Wow seriously man how old are you? You are talking to me about maturity? Just come right and say it the only way you dislike TDKR is to lack intelligence. Why not at least be up front about it? I would still think it was ignorant but at least it would be honest.
Oh in many ways it dragged. I loved the first two Godfather films they are works of art. The third one is mediocre but the first two are masterpieces. Love both the first two but I do not enjoy TDKR. Want to throw anymore assumptions at me or you done?
No I'm not saying that but what I am saying is that every complaint I have heard is a direct result of not understanding the movie (ie. Alfred would never leave Bruce, Bruce quit because of Rachel, the bomb would have caused a tsunami, etc.)
That wasn't my point, my point was that to someone of lesser intelligence The Godfather might "drag" as well, but adults who are capable of appreciating the Godfather are going to be very engaged in it, it's not for people who can't follow a complex storyline. Same thing with TDKR.
Do not throw an assumption onto me. I never once said any of those things, therefore that does not apply to me.
Also a person who has no attention span issue can not think TDKR is some masterpiece like you do. You attempted to imply my attention span was bad because I do not like TDKR like you do.
I didn’t throw any assumptions onto you I said I have not heard a single legitimate complaint that wasn’t the direct result of not understanding the movie. That’s an objective fact.
You said it “dragged” that means your attention span wasn’t long enough to handle it. Maybe you’d be happier watching Michael Bays Transformers?
Yes you did. Why did you assume my attention span was bad because I did not think the movie was a masterpiece like you? I couldn't care less what you have heard. Should that stop me from having an opinion on the film? Do I have to agree with you?
Nope it means that is my opinion on the film. That has nothing to do with attention span.
No I concluded that you had a short attention span because you said the film “dragged” (which it didn’t). I never said it should stop you from having an opinion (strawman), I said that I have yet to hear a single complaint that isn’t rooted in ignorance and stupidity.
You said it had to do with your attention span so which is it? Were you lying before or are you lying now?
Simply because I said the film dragged does not mean I have a bad attention span, it is my personal opinion that the film dragged. Why is your encounters with anyone else on this board any of my concern? I do not care if you have heard all this you projected it onto me. I never made any of the complaints against this film you claim others have.
No I said I felt the film dragged. You brought up my attention span first. Nice try though.
You've not provided one example of how it dragged, just repeating the same debunked talking point over and over again doesn't make it true. If you had a higher attention span you wouldn't think so.
shareI did not go into my reasons I simply said I thought it dragged. I gave my general view, I did not go into detail. Something tells me you will not be civilized even if I did provide details of my view. You got hostile rather quickly about me not liking this film.
shareI'm not getting hostile at all, I'm just noting that you are doing little to nothing to justify your position. The truth is it didn't drag, the problem is you don't have a very high attention span.
shareYeah you are actually. Just because I say it dragged does not mean I have a low attention span. My attention span can be just fine and I can still think it dragged. Notice I did not insult you for liking the film. I did not because I realize a perfectly sane logical person can like any film I do not. You need to give that same respect in return.
shareIf you thought it dragged then obviously you weren't able to follow the movie and you couldn't handle the 2 hour 46 minute runtime. So yes the problem is with you.
shareNope. You are implying someone can only dislike the film if they lack intelligence or an attention span. A perfectly logical person can dislike this film.
shareThat is a strawman I did not say that nor did I imply it. However all of the complaints I have heard so far are a direct result of being too stupid to understand it.
shareOkay so lets start with the first point. Lets see you debunk this.
How did Bruce get back to Gotham with no passport? Do you know how long it takes to get a passport in order to fly somewhere? It takes longer than three weeks.
Don’t know but it’s within his ability to get back to Gotham because we saw him move around the world with ease in the first movie. And this was before he became a master of theatricality and deception.
He easily could have just hitched a ride to the nearest embassy or stowed away aboard a ship. He had 23 days to make it back so time wasn’t a real issue.
In Batman Begins he had resources and much more time than 3 weeks time. You can't get on a plane unless you have a passport. He did learn theatricality and deception but even with that said you can't get past security not possible. The cameras would catch you especially without any gadgets or resources to help him.
shareYou are in no position to say that because you have no idea how long it took him to move from place to place. Once he gets to a US Embassy it wouldn’t have taken him too long to get back to the US. Once he gets to a port all he had to do was find a ship heading to the US and stow away on it. You are in no position to say that 23 days wasn’t enough time.
As for security cameras, I seem to remember a quote, what was it oh yeah “you have learned to disappear, we can teach you to become truly invisible”
Actually I can because without passports id or resources it would have taken longer than 3 weeks to do that. Once again in Batman Begins he had more time, and more resources to travel.
TDKR should not need to rely on Batman Begins to explain that away number one. Number two that was with gadgets and all the tools, Bruce had none of that when he left the pit. He can blend in he can not literally turn invisible. It is not a power it is a skill he learned. Which he can not utilize to the fullest extent without any of his resources or gadgets. Also was Ras talking about cameras or the human eye? Seems to me he was talking about to the human eye not cameras.
You are speculating, you have no clue what the time frame of his travels in BB were so you are in no position to say that he couldn’t have made it back that quickly. Again if he shows up at the embassy they will be able to prove rather quickly he is a US citizen lost in a foreign country and they would have taken him back to the US very quickly, or there are other ways in which he could have gotten back as I have clearly explained. We don’t need to know how he got back because A) it would have ruined his epic comeback scene and B) its unnecessary because anyone who pays attention knows he has the ability to move around the world with relative ease. Watch the first two movies, multiple times Gordon turned his head and then Batman was gone, he is a master of theatricality and deception, sliding past a few security cameras is literally nothing fo him. You need to watch movies that are easier to follow, TDKR is too advanced and too deep for you.
shareThe travel time in BB is not an issue because there is no time deadline. In TDKR he had to be back in 3 weeks time. Also in BB he had money, and resources in order to travel. Two things he was lacking in TDKR. Without your id or a passport it is going to take longer than three weeks to get him back. Passports take a long time to achieve. We do need to know how he got back or else it makes the return nonsensical.
When Gordon turned his head he also was in his Batman costume which means he has gadgets and resources to aid him in disappearing. In BB he travels around the world with money and resources once again you are neglecting this. Also I thought you said TDKR is standalone. It should not need to rely on the previous two in order to cover this issue up. Use TDKR to explain how he got back in 3 weeks. Do not reference the other two. What in this film showcases he was able to achieve that?
Unless you know how long it took him in BB then you have nothing to compare it to TDKR. In reality though 3 weeks is more than enough time to get back and I have clearly explained how. And he didn’t have any resources in BB he just left Gotham and didn’t have his money or anything. You really don’t know what you’re talking about and I know you would never apply this level of scrutiny to any other movie, you just want to hate on it because it’s the cool thing to do and you want to fit in
shareAgain the time frame in BB is irrelevant. There is no time deadline in that film. He left Gotham for 7 years in that movie. No it takes longer than three weeks to get a passport actually. He left in BB and had plenty of time to travel. He never was broke in BB. When he returned Alfred picked him up in the plane. You can borrow the car if you like just bring her back with a full tank. That implies he had connections he could pull to come and get him. This was not the case in TDKR. Nope I actually love BB and TDK they are some of my favorite films. I just find TDKR to be the weakest of the three. Even with that said I still think it is competent just nowhere near as good as the first two in my book.
shareSo let me get this straight: you say the movie “dragged” yet you want the movie to be longer to show how he got back to Gotham? When it’s not even necessary because anyone who paid attention would be able to figure it out
shareIt could have remained the same length and told the story better of how he got back.
shareI highly doubt it because you are not an academy award nominated director. Also we didn’t need to know, plus it would have completely ruined the epic scene where he reveals himself to Selina.
shareI do not need to be an academy award nominated director in order to critique a film. Yeah we do need to know or else it makes him returning nonsensical. You can still have his reveal to Selina while still making his return far more logical.
shareYou said you could have told the story better, so that means you think you are better than an Academy Award nominated director. His return was completely logical and it made sense to anyone who actually understood Bruce’s character.
shareNo I did not say I could have done it better. Read my quote again.
It could have remained the same length and told the story better of how he got back.
You flat out did say you could have done it better, so put your money where you mouth is kid and prove it.
shareWhere? Cite the link where I said I could have done it better. Quote me directly.
shareYou said directly you could have “told the story better”. So I guess I’m justified in saying that about Last Crusade, correct? I think that’s one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen
shareLink me to where I said that. Highlight the quote where I said it and provide the link. Proof or it never happened.
share"It could have remained the same length and told the story better of how he got back."
This implies you know how to tell the story better than Nolan does which is nonsense.
No it implies I am critiquing the film. I can critique something without saying I can do better than Nolan. Do not twist words. You just do not like that I do not salivate over this film like you do.
shareYou directly said that you could make a better film than Nolan, are you going to prove that you can or should I just close your case right now?
shareNope that never occurred. Go ahead and provide the proof or else it never happened.
shareI already did provide the proof. Now it’s your turn to back up your assertions.
shareWhat link did you provide? Provide where I directly said I could make a better film.
shareI showed you the exact quote, dingleberry
shareWhere was it? Nowhere in that quote did I say that. So I am going to take this as a loss for you.
shareI don't need to be a skilled chef at a 5-star restaurant to tell if the food tastes bad. Even though I don't know how to cook, I can still tell them make my plate again until I'm satisfied with the taste.
It's an invalid argument to claim that just because Nolan as an Academy Award-winning director, he can't or hasn't made mistakes, or that we as fans can't make suggestions and corrections. He is not immune to criticism from the audience. Nolan himself didn't even want to direct this movie, and it shows, he got sloppy. Whatever passion he had for the first two Batman movies was gone, he was likely just doing this so that the studio would pay for his next movie.
Except that’s not what he said, he said he could make a better film which I highly doubt
If that’s the case I could have made a better Indiana Jones film than Last Crusade despite the fact that Spielberg has won two Oscar’s and is considered to be one of the greatest directors ever
No, he was just making suggestions for parts of the film. Nolan or Spielberg being award-winning directors does not excuse them from criticisms and suggestions. You don't need to be an award-winner to make suggestions to story and dialogue, I've seen fan-fiction published for free that had amazing writing, better than many movies and TV shows I've seen, and those writers did it as a hobby even though they have other jobs.
It's ok if you like the movie, but you need to act more mature and accept that not everyone likes it, and that those people make suggestions on how to improve it or parts of it. I love the Lord of the Rings movies, they all won various awards, but there are people that didn't like them and/or make suggestions to improve them, and I'm totally fine with that. Whether I agree with those criticisms or not, I'm totally fine with that. You're getting defensive over this movie and making non-arguments to invalidate legitimate criticisms people have for TDKR and that's quite immature.
He clearly said that he knew how to make a better movie than Nolan which is why I invited him to put his money where his mouth is and prove it, so far all I have heard is silence.
And I don’t like Lord of the Rings (movie) but I am not about to suggest that I am a better filmmaker than Peter Jackson. Sure he didn’t make a perfect movie and it was flawed but it’s better than it would have been had I been in the directors chair, see how easy that was?
So you're not the type of guy who makes suggestions for movies you don't like. That's fine, other people are the type to do that. Is that so hard to understand?
Again, I don't need to be a pro chef at a 5-star restaurant to call out when food is bad. Just because I'd ask for a better plate, that's not the same as saying I'd go to the kitchen and cook the food myself. I'm telling the pros to do it again without making mistakes. See how easy that was?
I absolutely do but I don’t assert I could have done a better job. Shit I wrote an entire redraft of the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy. Sure I changed almost everything but there were elements from what we got that I left in.
You are comparing apples and oranges, you can say you don’t like something but that doesn’t mean you are asserting that you could have done a better job. Einstein did assert he could have done a better job. Understand the difference, kid?
No, what he did was offer constructive criticism, look it up. The only kid I see here is you, you've been throwing tantrums at other people just because they don't like a movie as much as you do.
My advice: accept that not everyone agrees with you, and accept their criticism, whether it's for your work or a work you like.
Not throwing a tantrum at all, sonny. Just pointing out that your problems with the movie are rooted in ignorance. Hating on TDKR just became the cool thing to do and I would bet that at least 50% of the haters are just trying to fit in and don't actually believe what they say.
My advice: Put on your big boy pants and accept that the vast majority of the public loves this movie and holds it in high regards.
Thanks for proving my point.
shareIf I proved anyone’s point it was my own.
shareAppealing to popularity is a logical fallacy, your words.
Do you dislike Indiana Jones 3 and the LOTR films because it's the cool thing to do and you're trying to fit in?
Not really because I can legitimately express why those movies are a disappointment. LOTR is at least competently made despite being flawed, Last Crusade is a complete and total piece of shit.
shareI just think it's odd that you're hating on Last Crusade, yet here you are throwing a tantrum over those who don't like Dark Night Rises despite them legitimately explaining their reasons.
Both are beloved films, you're in the minority for hating one of them, yet you go on the defensive over the other. Do you not see the hypocrisy?
Throwing a “tantrum”, uhhhh all I’m doing is politely expressing my opinion, kid. Your re the one losing his shit because not everyone agrees with him. TDKR is a great film, Last Crusade is an overrated piece of crap. I’m not being a hypocrite at all, I’m being objective and unbiased.
shareMe? Losing my shit? You sure about that? I've been calm, mature, and polite this whole time, while you were throwing tantrums over people not liking the same things you like. All I did was call out your hypocrisy, and you started freaking out and doubling down.
You can keep playing coy on your hypocritical behavior between The Last Crusade and Dark Knight Rises, but I can see right through you.
Please explain to me how I am “losing my shit”? I didn’t realize that disagreeing with you constituted “losing my shit”. You sure have a high opinion of yourself.
shareYou're the one who claimed I was losing my shit just because I disagreed with you, now you're projecting. It looks like you're the one who has a high opinion of yourself, either you're playing coy or you're really that dense.
shareThat’s because you were losing your shit. You can’t stand it that I haven’t join the “hate on TDKR” bandwagon. Also no one forced you to post on this thread.
shareI don't care how you feel about TDKR or Last Crusade, love them or hate them, do whatever you want. All I did was point out that you joined the "hate on Last Crusade" bandwagon and it was you who lost your shit because you didn't expect to get caught in your hypocrisy, did you? When you dislike something others like, it's ok, but when others dislike something you like, you freak out, act childish, throw tantrums, and project onto others.
That is a strawman I did not say that nor did I imply it.
Batman begins and the dark knight are better
shareWhat an incredible movie! So gud!
Wouldn't it have been way more awesome if they got ALL the cops from the whole country trapped in the sewer? My favorite part is the football field! Do you think those tunnels connect to all the football fields? This movie is so smart! I feel smart for liking it.
Batman barely being in the movie wasn't an issue for me, but that isn't an argument I can get on board with. Someone like Spiderman only works when both personas are present in the story because without both, the story makes no sense. Both are needed to complement the other - one doesn't really work without the other.
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