(as Christian Bale)
"Oh, gooooood for yoooou."
"Oh, my God. Bear is driving! How can that be?!"
it was extremely homophobic. It was also a very bad movie.
share^I laughed so hard at this. XD Totally using this from now on.
"Ah,sweet storyteller. What will it take to slay the dragon..."-Steven James
I agree. The film only works if you think homophobic reactions to gay people are still funny. This is why the lover is also a little person (providing cover for homophobic reactions), and it's why the naked guy and the poop jokes are thrown in, to distract you from the film's biased premise. Further, the feelings of the gay characters aren't taken into account at all. They're mere props at best. And all of this is true for the original also.
If either film were actually smart and/or funny, I might cut it some slack, but both of them are just total crap. I was hoping this remake would fix the problems from the original, but that's asking too much, apparently.
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How was this homophobic? You wouldn't be a little shocked if a little midget claimed to be your father's lover at his funeral asking for $30,000 WHILE insulting you and a bunch of other chaotic things were happening? He still accepted his father at the end and I really don't recall them saying any homophobic names...
shareWe must have watched the movie at the same time, hun!
I agree with you, wholeheartedly! There was nothing homophobic about the film. Trust me, it went 'south' so many other ways with me (let's not even talk about the Danny Glover/Tracey Morgan toilet scene, that did it for me! Owen Wilson was totally wasted in this flick!)
Rock's character accept his father the only way that he could in the end and remembered his father as the loving, caring man that he had knew for him to be.
How would YOU have reacted if you knew that your father was a straight, caring, and loving man and (Lord forbid!) at the end, you found out that there was so much more to him than you thought you knew (the case in point)? No. In all honesty, it could have been so much worse.
'A mannequin hand and an electric shaver taped to a golf club!' Allen - "The Other Guys" LOL!!!;)
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Exactly!
'A mannequin hand and an electric shaver taped to a golf club!' Allen - "The Other Guys" LOL!!!;)
It was homophobic because the sons were disgusted at finding out their father was in a gay relationship...
You telling me that photo evidence would get the reaction "Daaaddy!" if it was a snap of him getting it on with a woman?! They might still be shocked, but I doubt it would make them shudder.
Maybe that reaction is realistic, but it's not a very affirming one. I'm not personally offended, because such cheap shots are par for the course in a low-class mainstream comedy, but I can't see any logic at all in denying that it is present.
This is where the magic happens... and by "magic", I mean nothing.
Just because you aren't happy that you find out your father is having a gay affair and cheating on your mom doesn't make you homophobic.
I have no problem with gay people but if I found out my father was having sex with men I honestly know my first reaction would be to freak out!
No one said you had to be "happy", but in order to be considered not homophobic you would have to learn to be accepting of it... and there is a difference between a "freak out" of anger (cheating on mum... ) and a freak out of disgust (same-sex)
It's homophobic if you visibly show that there is a difference in attitude toward sexual intercourse based upon the genders of the people involved... To me, the only difference between straight sex and gay sex is that gay sex doesn't turn me on, but that's a physical reaction, not a mental one... If a gay sex clip suddenly came on my TV without my knowledge, would I be uncomfortable? Yes. Unfortunately then, that makes me a little homophobic. That's not a nice frame of mind, and it's to do with societal conditioning, but it's something I hope to be able to handle a little better every day.
There are degrees of homophobia, just like there are degrees of any other feeling or emotion, and if something makes you uncomfortable, then that's part of it... The problem is, people only associate homophobia with wishing harm to gay people. That's not a reaction I share in, in any way, and hopefully you don't, either... It's deplorable, and at the extreme end of the sliding scale. 'Discomfort' is still a notch on that scale, though, it's just moving toward the milder, more acceptable range of responses.
This is where the magic happens... and by "magic", I mean nothing.
So... if the father's lover had been a blackmailing woman and the sons had learned about it on their dad's funeral, don't you think they would have freaked out the same way?
And that would mean they're... heterophobic?
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I don't believe they would have freaked out to that extreme, no.
If anybody disagrees, that's cool.
"Your mother puts license plates in your underwear? How do you sit?!"
I would have reacted the SAME way if I had seen pictures of my dad with a another man!!!
shareI'm sure a lot of people would... but then, a lot of people are mildly homophobic...
Born when she kissed me, died when she left me, lived whilst she loved me
oh stop being an over sensitive whiny bitch, just go suck a cock and stop complaining.
shareIf you could read, you would see that I said I wasn't offended...
Born when she kissed me, died when she left me, lived whilst she loved me
if you weren't offended don't make a thread bitching about it!
sharePay attention; I DIDN'T start the topic - I'm simply contributing to it, just as you are.
Born when she kissed me, died when she left me, lived whilst she loved me
doesn't change the fact that you are getting all pissy over it, but then saying it doesn't offend you. it clearly does.
shareAgain, you should read. I was arguing that there is homophobia in it, which some people don't see at all, but that it doesn't offend me.
Now do you get the difference? It's there; I don't particularly care that it's there, but it IS there.
Born when she kissed me, died when she left me, lived whilst she loved me
ok then.
shareYou gotta be kidding? Cut the *beep* Just because straight people are more willing to accept homosexuality in this day and age it doesnt mean they like it. News flash, most straight people think its *beep* gross but you have every right to be it if you want to. I respect that you have the right to be gay but dont expect me to consider it beautiful. Especially not in a situation where the father was on the down low and most likely cheating on their mother for years.
shareSo true! Shonuff said exactly what I was going to say.
shareget over yourself, it's just a movie. meant for entertainment, not to excuse a way of life.
shareAgain- if my father is dead and I find out he was having sex with men my first reaction WOULD be shock. I have no issues with homosexuality but I'm going to say that is something pretty shocking to learn after knowing your father for over 30 years of your life!
Usually the first reaction a person has is appropriate reaction...
I was really hoping the mom would see the pictures in the end and say she already knew about it.
shareLol, so? Gays are gross!!
shareYes, it's interesting how they lay off midgets, yet attack homosexuals. Still a funny movie, but I think they should have balanced it out more.
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How is it homophobic? Because his dad was cheating on their mum with a man? That's not homophobic, that's a massive shock. You're finding out an entire different side to your father, that's not allowed to be shocking? The reason they pay him is to protect the feelings of his mum and so on. How is that homophobic? Stop making problems where there are none, for *beep* sake. The world is so over-sensitive about the smallest of things.
shareIt's always interesting that when people from a particular group speak about being offended by something the people who don't belong to that group are the ones who says things like "you're being over-sensitive" or "stop being so PC" or "you don't have a sense of humor."
shareOh PUH-LEEEEZE. Give it up already. Homophobia exists... period. It's everywhere, has always been and will always be. And it exists at every level of society in every degree, from the smarmiest sneer to the most vociferous hate crime. I even encounter it within the gay community itself ("He's such a queen...")
As a gay man who simply lives his life to the fullest, I'm tired of everyone condemning everyone else, while touting their own sincerity and purity. Prejudices are innate in each of us; they're called "likes" and "dislikes". It's our self control, our self-censorship if you will, that keeps us from verbalizing those prejudices aloud and thereby embarrassing ourselves.
This movie is not homophobic. It does have some homophobic characters. Likewise it isn't racist, though it has racist characters in it.
For Pete's sake, stop trying to find offense where there is none. If you spend your life searching under every rock for evil and hate in order to avoid it, you'll find plenty to avoid. Sadly, you'll be so busy bent over searching under the rocks that you'll miss all of the beautiful things life has to offer.
Ignore the petty stuff and find happiness in what you have, rather than finding ugliness in what others try to offer.
99.9% of straight people would also have a negative reaction in finding out their dad was secretly gay in his funeral. That's reality, period.
share"This movie is not homophobic. It does have some homophobic characters."
Exactly, thank you. I'm a pretty left-wing LGBTQ ally, but there's a world of difference between displaying characters who are or act homophobic and a film actually promoting a homophobic message. I liked this movie and really enjoyed the original and I found the revelation to be about how dramatically it alters their perception of their father's life, not disgust with their father. It shows that their father may not have been living the life he wanted, that the man they perceived as proud, confident, and happy may have been ashamed of himself and fundamentally unhappy, living a lie. It's not offensive, it's sad. And the characters' gut reactions arguably illustrate what may have made their father (and countless others who live and die closeted) feel that way, yet their ultimate acceptance shows that while the film may poke fun at our attitudes, it is not applauding those attitudes.
And I disagree with those saying it would have been different if the character was a female little person, or even average-sized person, who handed them photos of herself having sex with their father. Believing their father was an upstanding, loyal man who loved their mother then seeing him engaged with another woman may in fact have disgusted or revolted them. Even if it was their on mother their reaction might have been disgust -- many of us have a sort of cognitive dissonance about the existence of our parents' sex lives.
this movie isn't homophobic at all..
and if it was? there's a certain standpoint as in finding homosexuality morally wrong.. which it has been for thousands of years. it has been a meager 20 years that society has un-closeted itself. which is fine by me.
but finding out your father exchanged your mothers vagina for some midget's turd cutter every other weekend would and should offend everyone even the gays.
it would offend me as much, if not more, as if my dad would switch vaginas every other weekend..
isn't there anything sacred anymore? come on. can't one even be offended anymore at something that really has been offending for hundreds of generations.
in 50 years from now people will openly screw animals and if one objects he will be called a screw-a-dog-o-phobe..
it's really fine that society, just the western society, un-closeted itself - but not all are there yet - and taken into account some folks while married are screwing anything with a heartbeat, are still to be considered adulterers - instead they are considered modern or being in a midlife crisis..
keep some things sacred please - for your own good...
"Hey, I'll be a part of this world."
put it this way.
if your gay partner/husband of 30years cheated on you with a woman, what then?
you wouldn't be shocked? Not just shocked that he cheated, but with a female.
what he said ^
exactly my point..
in this modern age, it's almost more 'natural' to fall from faith (being straight or gay) towards being gay.. then, all of a sudden, we're inclined to be tolerant and protect ourselves (our opinions and standing)..
it feels to me, we're obligated to almost promote it in a way; do you feel gay? fine. tell your stupid wife to F off, and go be happy.. "there's nothing wrong with being gay".. no? maybe not.. also not the point.
but if some gay person becomes straight, it's lying to yourself and such.. why?
it's like being gay is the only truth anymore
I would be shocked if my dad would screw another woman, I would be even more shocked if he screwed a guy? is that homophobic?
"Hey, I'll be a part of this world."
[spoilers] Their reaction to the news their father had a gay love affair was exaggerated for comedic effect, not as a sign of homophobia.
If a woman showed up, said she had an affair with their father and wanted $30,000, it would have been less of a "scene" than the gay midget showing up. It's what the writers thought would create more "chaos", simple as that.[/spoilers]