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They're remaking it... NOOOOooooooo......... .


http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=70446

NO NO NO!!!!

"I don't know... I'm making this up as I go!"

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I don't know how will they replace the historical context..


"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."

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I can't believe how quickly they're remaking this. Hollywood is unbelievable.

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I don't know how will they replace the historical context..


The American remake takes place in the '50s, during the McCarthy era. The victim is the happy suburban housewife of an ad man. Because it'd be unthinkable to have a female prosecutor at the time they'll replace the romance between Irene and Benjamin with a closet homosexual romance to reflect the intolerance of the era. Also, the rapist is a communist and the FBI lets him go because they need him to infiltrate labor unions in order to stop the advance of Bolchevism in America. The movie ends in the 1980s in order to make a social commentary on Reaganomics and Thatcherism. There'll also be a subplot about AIDS.

I read they're going to re-use some of the sets Eastwood built for J. Edgar. I'm pretty excited, to be honest.

This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel.

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I'm pretty excited, to be honest.
I believed you until this statement.
Why problem make? When you no problem have, you don't want to make ...

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Lol. Brilliant.

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So it will be just like the original then ? :-) .


Gordon P. Clarkson

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Normally Id be seething, but this movie can use some help by having Benjamin and his team do better detective work and find some solid evidence in this case. Tracking a man down for rape with pretty much no evidence and without taking a closer look at the scene of the crime just bothered me.

Now u know why they call me Chicago Wind, fool.

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No foo, he was just a suspect, only when he became elusive to find did the case against him get stronger. Makes complete sense, no holes in this one sherlock.

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I agree. I was thinking while watching it how a good American production could do a better job. In the beginning, I could figure out who the main character worked for. Turns out, it is the court. But "another dead girl" didn't sound right. So callous. No evidence?

The plot is decent. Billy Ray would be great. His other films show how he would handle it.

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I never understood why people get mad when movies get remade. It happens all the time, and no one's putting a gun to your head to watch it.

At first when I researched it and saw directed by Billy Ray?! The singer?! Nope, same guy who did Breach and Shattered Glass. Should be interesting how it's remade, maybe speed it up a little bit.

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"maybe speed it up a little bit."

You say this as though it is in some way desirable.

The pacing i.e. not doing everything at 100mph, was one of the things that made this film work.

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^ Yes, in this case editing out a couple of scenes would make it more desirable, especially when the ending is so obvious.

Not speed it up to 100mph like you mentioned, but getting rid of some of those long shots wouldn't hurt.

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Those long shots were flawless. This film had a frenzied track-shot that put "The French Connection" to shame. (The soccer match & subsequent escape of the suspect). Camera angles in the elevator, mirroring off of walls, through windows; all of this was deliberately paced, and brilliantly so.

Movies at rapid cocaine frenzy are great when they WORK (The Departed), but I don't see how it would benefit this story at all.

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Because if the remake is worse than the original, it gives the original a bad name.

For instance I could never bring myself to watch the original "manchurian candidate" because I watched the remake and it was just decent, and didn't bother searching for the old one. Perhaps it is much better and I'm missing out... Same with Solaris.

I think this happens because it's so easy to assume that an older version with much lower production value could not be much better, but it can.

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POLANSKI?! Wonderful use of irony you just had there.

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LIKE it...

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I too used to rant and rave every time a foreign film I loved was slated to be remade by Hollywood. It even would upset me when they wanted to remake and serve up a modern interpretation of an older, "classic" Hollywood film! (It also irks me when great films are milked for sequels, films which usually have little in common with their predecessors-- but that is another post).

However, I don't allow myself to get fazed by it anymore, for several reasons:

1) It is a fact of life. Why get upset over something that you have no control over? Hollywood is in the business of making money, so the simple fact is that well-made international films will always attract their attention. It is more profitable and less of a risk to re-do an acclaimed foreign film than to develop an original film with unknown value. I certainly don't defend this practice, especially when you consider how many of the great original American films of decades past used to influence other directors around the world. It used to be the American films that got remade, with directors like Ford, Hawks, and Romero practically worshipped like gods on the world stage.
In light of this fact (and along with practices like having a 'focus panel' determine a film's ending), the state of originality and risk-taking in Hollywood is at a nadir. I'm simply saying there's no point kvetching about it, because it's probably not going to change anytime soon.

2) It is nothing new. This is not a recent phenomenon or some type of "new threat". It has been going on forever. The great Fritz Lang films of the 20's and 30's, many of the French New Wave films, a few of the Japanese and Italian classics. For example, I can't even count how many times Antonioni's great film Blow Up has been re-done in some fashion or another.

3) The remake is not always inferior. Sure, we can all quote many examples of the botch-job Hollywood has done on a great original film. Generally speaking, Hollywood's track record of remaking their own films is abysmal (think Psycho, Rollerball, The Day the Earth Stood Still, almost any film noir and detective movie from the 1940s, etc). But if I liked the original version of a specific foreign film, I will almost always watch the remake. First, because if I enjoyed a film in the first place I will enjoy watching it again, even a new version. Second, especially in a complex film where one can have various interpretations of the underlying themes, I'm often interested to see where the new film chooses to place emphasis, or how the different themes are elucidated. The same goes for character development. In the hands of a competent director this can be a very exciting thing. To use Antonioni's Blow Up again, Coppola's The Conversation, while not a frame-for-frame remake, is so brilliant it virtually surpasses its influential progenitor.
I will admit, though, in modern times very often the American version will tone down controversy or otherwise "neaten up" the material in foreign films. They will often tack on/change the ending in the usual Hollywood style (think of The Vanishing). I am of course not a fan of this.

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Because if the remake is worse than the original, it gives the original a bad name.

While this could be true, in practice it rarely occurs. For one thing, even film neophytes have an inkling that remakes are rarely better than the originals. I feel that most filmgoers subscribe to the cliched (but probably true) notion that "the book is always better than the film" and "the original is always better than the sequel".

But the real reason I don't worry about this is that I think it's really the converse that's actually true. The sad fact is that many excellent foreign films, many of which are additionally independent, don't get the viewership or attention they deserve (even sometimes in their own country). When Hollywood does a remake, even a mediocre one, it draws necessary and vital attention to the original film, and sometimes to that director's entire body of work. This is a good thing for film in general. I am a virtual gormand when it comes to watching films from all over the world, and I like to think that very little escapes my attention, but even I have occasionally discovered a great film simply because an American remake has brought it to my attention.

I do not believe a remake will not hurt an original's reputation, unless perhaps the remake is a total abomination. But say what you will about Hollywood, the remake will probably be "competent" at the very least, especially if it is assigned a seasoned director and a proficient cast. So, in a worst case the original film/filmmaker would simply be ignored, not reviled (unless of course the original film was itself trash). This is really no different from musical covers by other artists (of which there are myriad examples of the remake being better than the original), or even the re-imaginings of concepts in fields like art, fashion, etc.

With respect to The Secret in our Eyes specifically, I am not confident that the remake will bring any superior material to the table; this film is already a bona-fide masterpiece. But neither do I think a remake will do the original any harm. Again, if anything I think the critical press, which will mention the original film as a matter of routine, will give it some much-deserved attention (not that this particular film really needs it though-- it was an Oscar winner), and there are those who will watch the original just for comparison purposes.

All in all, there really is no reason to get bent out of shape over this sort of thing.

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Well, more often than not, remakes suck. But, who knows? It never hurts to try.

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Well, the film is from 2009, I believe that nothing can be added now, after 2 years, that improves the story at all. The work is already well done, so, why so early? Its different from remaking an old movie.

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On this point, I agree.

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What if they had never remade "Chushingara"? Have to admit there is a lot of buzz about Keanu Reeves in a remake of "47 Ronin" (not out yet) and people will go back and see the Japanese national epic, the 1941 version or 1962 version. The 1962 version is gorgeous, but many people prefer the 4-hour, B&W 1941 version.

This educates people about why the Japanese were so nonchalant about dying in WWII. They are so loyal that they would work for years to have an opportunity to avenge their lord, even though it means "and now commit hara-kiri as your reward." All 47 of them.

Kurosawa said once that the Japanese are so obedient that if the Emperor had ordered one million people to commit suicide (Kurosawa had a 4F draft rating because the local draft board guy wanted to give Kurosawa's father a break, because Akira's older brother had committed suicide), he, Kurosawa, would have done so. (They were talking about staging a protest to the Americans, "Watch this. We would rather kill ourselves than surrender.")

There is not enough imagination in movies. We just get remakes of "Die Hard" or something that has a proven draw for comic book fans. Consider how great "The Butterfly," which is just about love of a child, was.

Description from Netflix:

La Lengua de las Mariposas -- At the onset of the Spanish Civil War, a sheltered boy (Manuel Lozano) in rural northern Spain forms an indelible bond with his kindly leftist teacher (Fernando Fernán Gómez), who imparts his love for nature to the young student. Director Jose Luis Cuerda gentle and nostalgic drama, based on the short stories of Manuel Rivas, was nominated for 13 Goya Awards (the Spanish Oscar), winning for Best Adapted Screenplay.

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"Adaptation," about a writer who loves a story about someone willing to wade around in an alligator-infested swamp for years and years just to find an ephemeral beauty -- novel is called "The Orchid Thief" -- is also about the screenplay writer's cynically saying a movie has to have a murder, sex, a car chase, a monster . . . . Then sticks them all in the movie in the last 40 minutes or so. Too funny.

Sh-it's a secret!

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Dont want to see it? Dont watch it. I just fixed the made up problem here.

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I don't agree with remakes and prefer people to come up with new inventive ideas. I also don't like remakes which are done for people who can't be bothered to make the effort to read subtitles since the version reset into the US or wherever won't carry all the colour of the original culture. But hey..it's no big deal.

I think remakes are better watched by people who haven't or won't see the original.

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