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Is Death worse punishment than lifetime of boredom ?


Imagine the boredom of getting confined forever in a cage with nothing to read or see, no one to talk with and nothing to do but sleep, eat, defecate and perhaps self-stimulate your big endowment while dreaming of killing another victim. I'd go crazy. Wouldn't you ? Even pigs and chickens go crazy of boredom when confined in small cages (hence they have to cut pigs tails and chicken's beaks, so they don't chase each other tails or injure with a beak out of boredom)

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So people who support death penalty are too easy on criminals? Those who support life in solitary w/o parole instead of death are the ones who are the hardest on worst criminals.

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I don't think being confined in a supermax is much different. Although access to a library would make life easier for inmates.

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Although, if I was in prison I'd have chosen solitary confinement as long as I had access to books and fresh air. I really think I can do without interacting with prison low life that rapes and kills. Although I wouldn't had minded to be in the same cell as somebody like Bernard Madoff. He probably be interesting to converse with. But those are exceptions...

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You can also go mad getting raped and beaten every day...

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I agree that solitary confinement is actually MUCH worse than it might sound on the surface of it. I've read accounts of prisoners who thought it would be a piece of cake because they didn't really care for people in the first place but were going out of their minds after 3 months. It's an immense psychological load.

And I totally believe that prison is a MUCH worse fate than death. The "power of hope" is overrated if you get life in prison without the possibility of parole. Every aspect of prison life sounds like barely a step above torture, even in the absence of solitary having to constantly worry about the power structure and politics and the possibility of being someone's personal biyatch could potentially be worse than the abuse itself.

With regards to the movie, I strongly disagree with your conclusion though:

The film argues that no matter the level of torment, passion, obsession felt by people who cling to something for the entirity of their life and at the cost of living a full and colourful life, we should let go of the past and move on but at the same time I think the balance is well drawn between people who are able to do this and people who are not. The husband was unable to move on, Irene was unable to look back and Benjamin was caught somewhere inbetween the two.


With the last sentence being particularly egregious. The husband was the most fanatical idealist yes, but Benjamin came close and was clearly inspired by Morales' example which invigorated him throughout the years and provided the final push into joining ranks and accepting his passion. How else to explain how he had the innate ability to divorce his wealthy wife who he obviously cared for but could not fall in love with in order to be in close proximity to the woman of his dreams? And despite what she might have said, Irene was obviously not "unable to look back" as it was clear her body language betrayed her every time she made such claims. She had the similar romantic idealism ensconced so obviously in Benjamin but was more capable of hiding it. All three main characters fell into the category of those unable to let go of the past and the message was that the similarly afflicted should pursue their visions to fruition rather than resign themselves to the misery of a life filled with regret and remorse. Yes of course to us Morales' life seemed equally pained to Gomez's in his absolute quest to achieve his uncompromising vision, but it did ultimately provide him meaning and purpose to a life that would otherwise be devoid of any further reason to live.

OTOH, there were no examples of the people who are able to move on from the past, as it's far more common. Another aspect, perhaps unintentional, seemed to shine the spotlight on the mentally unbalanced that suffer from rather extreme forms of OCD and how they often suffer a life filled with misery.

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That's you talking out of your ass. You've never been in prison so you wouldn't know.

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I think regardless of which eventuality in 'real life" would be worse, the film makes a striking case that the "punishment" Gomez actually got was more horrible than death... the way he reaches thru the bars to touch Esposito's face -- the first human being other than Morales he'd seen in years. But the most devastating aspect was when he said "Tell him to talk to me" -- THAT was brutal! In the end, Gomez would endure such a rotten life and then Hell to boot!

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Prison WORSE than death, really?

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He wanted the guy to suffer, death would've made him "go to sleep" (like Morales said himself when he was talking about the death penalty). Extreme solitude is used as punishment in prisons. Imagine a place where you have NOTHING to do and you don't even have the luxury of knowing what time it is. Although I did find it a bit odd that when Gomez saw Esposito he acted almost normal. A person that had to endure solitude and such for 25 years should've been a bit more estranged from "normal" social interactions.

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Absolutely, and more than a bit more estranged - I only did undergrad psych, but I'm pretty sure any psychologist would say the guy would be an absolute nutbar at that point.

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i wonder if gomez attempted to kill himself , it doesnt make sense if he didnt . I mean the cell is clean without any bloodstains . i know this doesn't matter to the story much but the sparkling clean cell doesn't fit the settings .

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I think that's why this movie haunts people.

It's just unimaginable to see that kind of "passion" from a different kind of vigilante.

It really makes one think. Is solitary confinement a cruel and unusual punishment?

Albert Speer was in prison heaven compared to Gomez. He's Hitler's architect and the best-known Nazi who took responsibility during the trial. He was sentenced to 20 years which he served fully. He read 500 books just on the first 3 years. He exercised by walking in the yard and pretended he's travelling by foot to world places. He was allowed to grow a garden. And he wrote his memoirs.






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Indeed is worse. Time in a regular prision flows slowly, for Gomez, that 25 years felt like 100 years. Its simply a long, long, mind destroying process. But, honestly, a rapist like him deserves that.

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Having read your answer, I'm curious about your age?

Solitary confinement isn't about boredom, it's about a social animal being deprived of social activity. This is about insanity, not boredom.

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At this point in life - early 30s- I am pretty socially reclusive. I live all by myself, telecommute to work, and hardly interact with anyone (not even on Facebook) , if you don't count pets as a type of interaction.

Yet, I guess I chose this life because I am an extreme introvert. Will I not feel any difference in solitary confinement? Of course I will. Now I am solitary by choice, there by force. Now I have unlimited ways of enriching my life through non human interactions (like with dogs) , there quite limited.

I am not saying I am entirely happy now, but I don't take my current life as a form of punishment. In fact having an unhappy marriage or children to support with no little means, may have felt more punishing.

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Watch Oldboy.

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Those who support life in solitary w/o parole instead of death are the ones who are the hardest on worst criminals.


But no one supports that. There's no suchthing as life in solitary without parole.

And I totally believe that prison is a MUCH worse fate than death. The "power of hope" is overrated if you get life in prison without the possibility of parole. Every aspect of prison life sounds like barely a step above torture, even in the absence of solitary having to constantly worry about the power structure and politics and the possibility of being someone's personal biyatch could potentially be worse than the abuse itself.


But you're thinking of the people who aren't in the first place violent enough to defend themselves in that kind of environment. What about the ones who are, and who are therefore the aggresors in prison as well, the ones who rape and make other prisones their b*tch?. Is life in prison for them worse tan the death penalty?.

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