This film gets a lot of flack, not a fan myself. I was wondering what peoples main issue is and if the Mandarin twist was a large contributing factor towards any dislike.
Personally I thought that even disregarding the twist, Killian made for a boring villain. Also hated the super pepper moment and that overlong and frankly uninteresting final battle.
Fire-breathing moment. I mean WTF? Just boldly admitting they're out of new ideas and that they wrote some terrible villains with ill-defined and unconvincing powers. So by that point in the movie it doesn't matter if they make them do something completely stupid and out of left field because the villains already have no consistency or logic.
Then there's removing Tony's shrapnel in 2 seconds at the end, wiping out a character trait which drove the whole trilogy with no explanation as to how he did it. He spent half the second movie trying to find a new element to control the shrapnel that wouldn't kill him. He could have spent 2 seconds instead just getting it removed according to "Stain" Black.
Colonel Miles Quaritch is like some sort of...non...giving-up...army guy!
Well technically he needed the new element regardless if he was going to keep using the suits. The fact that it was in his chest rather than "chest adjacent" only sped things up.
I also think they were trying to tell us (in IM3) that Tony sort of had a guilt complex or death wish even and that was why he never removed the shrapnel before. The events of IM3 basically helped him realize that he has a lot to give and has more than atoned for his past so he was "free" to do something positive for himself.
That's how I took it anyway. It remains to be seen how it impacts his character going forward.
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I thoroughly enjoyed this movie and watch it whenever it's on and consider myself a HUGE fan. The final fight between Killian and Tony is actually really fun to watch.... in my opinion final fights/action sequences usually don't live up to the second act action sequences (Fast 6, Ghost Protocol, Ronin, The Dark Knight Rises) but for some reason in IM3 it is fun to watch how relentless and unstoppable Killian is for those few minutes against every single one of the moves from Tony's suits.
Anyway, my only gripe was how open ended Killian and Savin's fates are. I can only assume that Killian got too hot (something Maya briefly references earlier on) and that since he blew a hole in Savin's chest his heart is gone and Extremis only regenerates limbs and not organs.
Again, in 80s action movie style I accept their death. But no explanations makes it sound a bit fishy....
Totally agreed. The movie was awesome.
shareI think Savin is dead as can be (though not sure about the "only regrows limbs" thing). I think the host does have to be living to heal up and so when guys either go too hot (like the guy at the Chinese Theatre or the other "bombs") or get a huge hole pumped through their chest they're dead. Same with the girl that Tony kills with the microwave McGyver bomb.
As for Killian and Pepper surviving both the suit detonation (Killian) and the big fall into the fire (Pepper) - I think maybe they were able to prepare for it and basically start healing right away rather than something quick like what killed the others. When Pepper kills Killian, she basically goes over the top so much that Killian can't keep up and survive it.
Though (last thought) it's possible they wanted to leave a little opening that Killian (or Savin) survived - but I doubt it.
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Tony was able to remove the shrapnel because of the extremis process
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Well I think it's somewhat debatable but I do agree with your logic. I have suggested before that he may have passed on what he learned about Extremis to Dr Cho and it may have contributed to her creating the tech for the cradle in AoU.
But in IM3 I just took his "why stop there" as in "why not fix myself too". They show the magnet used to help pull the shrapnel and don't really show anything that hints he's applied Extremis to himself - but that is totally possible.
I also didn't really take it as him "fixing" the Extremis in Pepper but more him removing it. In other words, I don't think she retained any super healing or anything.
But I do like the theory that he used some or all of the Extremis process to aid in his own operation.
I just took it that Tony could have probably figured out how to get the shrapnel out at any point but his guilt sort of prevented him from being "selfish" like that.
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No it totally adds up. I'm just not sure it's 100% confirmed or just a really good and possible theory. (And technically I don't they ever give a reason other than that the shrapnel is too close to his heart - haven't watched IM1 in a while though.)
I'd probably rank it as even more likely than him just forgiving himself (and that he could have done it earlier without Extremis).
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Agreed. There is enough oxygen in an exhalation of carbon dioxide to combust if enough heat is present. Probably. In Hollywood.
shareFire-breathing moment. I mean WTF? Just boldly admitting they're out of new ideas and that they wrote some terrible villains with ill-defined and unconvincing powers
First thing is the movie was entertaining as a stand alone movie. After that being said there was a lot of problems with it number one it basically contradicts everything that has come before it. Like how the hell is his suits all of a sudden so easily destructible i mean if the suit tripped the whole thing fell apart. Tony would have died in the first one if his suit was that destructible. Another problem was Gwyneth turns into some yoga pants wearing johnny storm to save the day. He had a million useless suits. Christmas movie in the middle of a summer blockbuster. Mandarin. The list goes on...it was still funny and entertaining as a stand alone but it just contradicts what came before it and im sure what comes after. Like didnt he retire at the end?
shareThe suit that kept breaking was a prototype suit which wasn't finished being built. I think, though, that this movie would've been far more epic with a real Mandarin than that dumb extremis powered Killian.
shareSo many things wrong with this movie.
- Comedic timing is awful. The jokes themselves are fine, but they happen so often and at every chance, it's not witty, it's just desperate and corny.
- Tony without the Iron Man suit was boring. His PTSD was horribly implemented, his action scenes were lame, and his egotistical rambling was obnoxious.
- Tony with the Iron Man suit was all wrong. Suddenly JARVIS is inherently linked to the Mark 42, and when it runs out of power so does JARVIS? Why doesn't Tony allow the suit to have auxiliary command, is that really too complicated for him? He can electrocute a person's arm so precisely that they can grab 13 other people, and then electrocute THEIR arms precisely, but he needs to power his suits with car batteries all of a sudden? ARC REACTOR! Did anybody behind this movie even watch the first two? Dumbasses, all around.
- The skydiving scene was ridiculous, impossible, and looked plain stupid. Everyone goes on about how they used real stuntmen and skydiving, we get it, but they didn't ACTUALLY pull that stunt off. It's impossible. Their arms would have ripped to pieces if they pulled up that short from the ground, and electrocuting their arms together!?!?!? Dumbasses, again!
- Shane Black. Dumbass.
The first Iron Man was really, surprisingly good. It was simple, to the point, and it delivered, even if it wasn't groundbreaking. The second one was decent popcorn action, but it wasn't very exciting. This one felt like Shane Black was wiping his ass with the comics, and laughing as he cashed in a fat check. Screw this movie and the people who defend it just because Iron Man's name is attached.
Rhodey's shirt.
shareI think the real worst moment was when he had to interact with the little kid. Any time you have to add a child into the mix, it's a sign that they are just plain out of ideas and have resorted to pandering of the worst kind. It ain't because of the under-10 crowd that this movie made over a billion. It's because the kid inside all of the grown-up fans who wants to see those pleasant stories from our youths played out in a more mature, action-packed way. A critical failure to understand this is what likely prevented any of the other Phase 2 films so far from breaking a billion, by shattering our faith in them. It took a lot of work for them to restore it and they would do well to remember that in the future, that if they fail us again, it could be even worse.
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"i'm the best" then suit falls apart because of a flying piece. wow what an ego *cringe
share-The don cheadle swing thing
-the super pepper
- tony with a handgun acting like Mannix.
"You work your side of the street, and I'll work mine"