I will preface my comments by saying I have not seen the Fighter. I am unable to compare the two shows, so I won’t.
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Like how he went AWOL in Afghanistan and ended up back in America. That was LAUGHABLE especially since our continents don't even connect. Whoever wrote this script should be embarrassed.
You do know that there are other forms of transportation than just those that go on dry land. Other than walking, driving, riding a bike or a scooter, or a pogo stick, there is such a thing as a boat and an airplane. Just because the movie doesn’t show him use one of those forms of transportation, doesn’t mean he didn’t use them. We also didn’t see them travel to Atlantic City for the tournament. Did they walk, fly, drive, or ride the train? Does it really even matter? How is it embarrassing to not show how he got from Afghanistan to the U.S.? It also didn’t show how he got to Afghanistan in the first place. Is that also an embarrassment to the writers? Maybe you are confused about how he got a plane ticket if he was AWOL. They did say that he had changed his name and was using his mother’s maiden name rather than his real last name. Maybe you missed that part.
Second, the following two things you said seem like a contradiction.
Also the fact that the brother relationship in the Fighter was more realistic. Many people have drug addict siblings but just deal with it and take them as they are.
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The only time siblings don't see each other for years is if: One suffers from a drug addiction…
Is it more realistic to be a good brother for you drug addicted sibling or is it ok to not have any contact with them? Make up your mind.
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In the Warrior the older brother didn't even hire a private investigator to try and find his brother. As an older sibling, i find that SHAMEFUL.The only time siblings don't see each other for years is if: One suffers from a drug addiction, one is kidnapped, or their was some big argument that caused a lot of emotional pain.
I think they made if pretty clear that the big brother had some emotional pain. He never got to say goodbye to his mother who passed away. The younger brother never made the phone call to let them know that she was even dying. Maybe it wasn’t an argument that caused it, but the pain was there. I agree that maybe he should have gone looking for his brother, but I can’t say that he didn’t look for him and just wasn’t successful. I don’t have enough information to say whether he did or didn’t. Kind of like how the younger brother got to America from Afghanistan. Just because it wasn’t shown, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
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Also I don't know why the younger brother is so mad. He moved away therefore he still had his older brothers phone number, not the other way around. How do you expect your older brother to have the number if your ASS left to a NEW location. His anger is illogical to the point of being LAUGHABLE.
Yes the younger brother moved away, but he was still mad. He was abandoned by his brother and left to care for his dying mother all alone as a young kid (I think it said he was 14). The older brother was supposed to go with and decided last minute to stay because of his girlfriend. I don’t think that he was angry that his older brother hadn’t contacted him, but because he had been abandoned. And he wasn’t going to contact his older brother because he had “a lot of emotional pain.”
It sounds like you either didn’t like the movie and have now decided to nitpick stupid little things that don’t matter; or maybe you worked on The Fighter and are trying to get people to see your movie instead of the competition. Either way, your arguments are not well founded or thought out. I would recommend watching Warrior again, but this time watch it with the attitude that the movie could actually entertain you rather than leave unanswered questions like how did one person travel from point A to point B. That has nothing to do with the plot. You just sound bitter over nothing.
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nonya4321
12 years ago
1. He got from America to Afghanistan through the military (they didn't need to show it because it was obvious), how he got from Afghanistan to America is laughable especially since Airport security is very strict. He did not even have that much money to give to his friends wife so how he was able to arrange some type of non plane transportation is nearly impossible. So like i said before "laughable". Also i don't know why you brought up bike riding, especially since riding your bike from Afghanistan to America is impossible. Maybe you don't know, but are continents don't connect. Also you should NEVER compare travelling from where he was to Atlantic city and Afghanistan to America.
2."Is it more realistic to be a good brother for you drug addicted sibling or is it ok to not have any contact with them" When i was speaking of realism they related to two different aspects that were not connected. First aspect- sibling love (loving your sibling even if they suffer from drug addictions). Second aspect-not seeing your sibling for years. I was not saying it was okay to not have any contact with a drug addict sibling, I was saying its common for siblings not to speak because many times people are so deep into drug addictions that they lose interest in their family and don't keep contact and that lost of contact makes it harder for their family to locate them if they want to.
3."I agree that maybe he should have gone looking for his brother, but I can’t say that he didn't look for him and just wasn't successful. I don’t have enough information to say whether he did or didn't": - His dad hired an investigator and found him within the three years he had been sober, but the brother couldn't. So a man who has only been clean for about three years can find him, but the older brother could not. Laughable.
4."I don’t think that he was angry that his older brother hadn't contacted him, but because he had been abandoned. And he wasn't going to contact his older brother because he had “a lot of emotional pain.” - This is hard for me to understand because i don't suffer from being a pu**y like the little brother, so i digress.
Note- I liked the movie and found it entertaining, but the level of realism was laughable. Realism is subjective so if you don't like what i consider realistic, that's your problem not mine. I recommend you don't go into screen writing, you would probably leave to many holes in your plots and think nothing of doing so.
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The_Sublime
12 years ago
Realism is subjective so if you have a problem with this film thats your problem not ours.
Don't b!tch about somebody else's viewpoint when you're attempting to justify your own.
Also how do you know how much money Tommy has?
Perhaps the reason he has no money to give to his friends family is BECAUSE he paid to get back to America.
Secondly you can't quantify OR justify the dynamics in somebody else's family.
Each family has its own history, its own codes of conduct.
Irrelevant of The Fighter you're picking holes in the film that are self explanatory. Admittedly travelling back from Afghan isn't the most easily imaginable task but neither is Mickys weight in The Fighter he's atleast a stone over his weight class, Wahlberg is far too big but you accept it.
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nonya4321
12 years ago
My Realism is your problem, that's why your getting emotional and using foul language and that's why you responded to MY forum. I'm obviously not as emotionally involved as you and i believe my point of view to be more justified because The Fighter was a true story and this movie is not and never will be because their are to many plot holes to ever alow this to be a true story. I only did this post to because i feel sorry for people who really think this movie is really better than the Fighter. Their level of intelligence makes me feel sorry for them, and i just wanted to help them improve their intelligence about the world. If you want to believe that this untrue story (unlike The Fighter) has a high level of realism than good for you. I just feel sorry for you.
"Secondly you can't quantify OR justify the dynamics in somebody else's family.
Each family has its own history, its own codes of conduct."-- Thats why i said i digress, i can't understand weak people therefore i can't understand their situation.
PS: I still found this movie entertaining, i just found it laughable as well. The day that Warrior becomes a true story is the day that your level of realism will hold any significance to me.
Also, if you continue to use foul language like a child, i will ignore your posts. I only talk to mature adults.
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12 years ago
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nonya4321
12 years ago
im talking about better, as far as realism goes, so... my statements stand
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jdday7
12 years ago
Well, I’m convinced. I now hate this movie. I laugh when I watch it and feel embarrassed for the writers. How dare those brothers be mad at each other. How dare they not show how the soldier got to America. They ruined the movie. It doesn’t make any sense.
I only did this post to because i feel sorry for people who really think this movie is really better than the Fighter. Their level of intelligence makes me feel sorry for them, and i just wanted to help them improve their intelligence about the world. If you want to believe that this untrue story (unlike The Fighter) has a high level of realism than good for you. I just feel sorry for you.
And I would just like to say that I am eternally grateful, O Mighty One, for taking time out of your busy day to set us all straight. Thank you for taking pity on us dumb people and gracing us with your words of wisdom and your digital presence. We are all better people just for reading what you wrote.
I can't believe they didn't make this movie just like The Fighter. If they just copied that story, then this movie would be so much better. Then there would be two movies called The Fighter and all would be right with the world.
You need to go put $20 in the douche bag jar.
Oh, and if you didn’t get what I said before about the bicycle in my last post, then you either need to read it again, or ask someone to explain it to you because your reading comprehension isn’t great. Obviously America and Afghanistan aren’t connected.
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nonya4321
12 years ago
i understood your bicycle part, i was just making fun of you. When this movie becomes a real life story like the Fighter (which will never happen) then i will understand your level of realism.
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jdday7
12 years ago
It's a good thing you are talking about "realism" rather than the fantasy world the rest of us live in, otherwise you wouldn't have an "answer" for everything.
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fuguy
12 years ago
You´re a *beep* idiot that´s your problem.
Whats that on your face!
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PWTempleman
9 years ago
My only problem with your forum is you keep saying The Fighter is a true story. It's based on a true story. Every true story movie uses poetic license to bend the truth. So, you have to take the word "true" with a pinch of salt. I don't it's a very valid argument.
"I can't understand weak people therefore i can't understand their situation."
I'm sorry about that is the biggest pile of *beep* I've ever heard. You are weak. I am weak. Everybody is weak but also everybody is strong. You can't judge someone's action unless you were in their shoes. Also, we would all act differently in their position but we all have weak moments in life. Humanity is insecure and it is also powerful. We are too complex as beings to be categorized as good, bad, weak or strong. Those are just simple words.
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Natsu21
11 years ago
1. It's entirely possible he just jumped on a plane and flew back. If he still had his passport and what not he could have done exactly that. In the movie they say how Tommy was the only survivor from a friendly fire incident (American planes bombing him and his team), if he left as soon as that happened he may have been considered MIA, and by the time they realized he had gone AWOL he was already back in the states. As the other poster said just because we didn't see it doesn't mean it's automatically a plot hole.
2. Sometimes siblings lose touch especially when they are seperated for a long period. Tommy was angry at his brother for not coming with him and their mother and staying with their abusive father and some girl (she was just his gf at that point), so Tommy wouldn't want to talk to his brother. Brandon was angry at Tommy because Tommy didn't contact him to let them know their mother was sick and dying and so Brandon never got the chance to say good bye to her. So it's perfectly understandable that they never spoke again.
3. Yes his dad did, the man who knew he was the reason his son left with his mother, the man looking to know what happened to his son, and also maybe hoping to get forgiveness some day. His brother on the other hand kind of had more important things to worry about, like his sick daughter who has a heart condition, or the money problems he is having. So it's not laughable at all the guy in no way would be able to afford a private investigator, and how more important things to worry about.
4.Starting to get the assumption you are just trolling when say stuff like that.
It's a movie it doesn't need to be perfectly realistic or did you seemingly forget that movies can be FICTION.
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garciaruben368
10 years ago
hey it is not called being a pussy, it is called being vulnerable. Not everyone is strong emotionally and able to continue like you can, we all have our weaknesses. Just like you have your logic kind of emotion, happy, excited, anxious. You also have anger, rage, sadness, grief, etc. Tommy had plenty of emotional pain which led him to take pills, make himself emotionally numb and aggressive. He did not want anything to do with anybody especially not his father because Paddy was to much of a drunk abusive father and who the hell wants to deal with that *beep* in their lives. I guess brendan and him were very close when they were younger, but of course, brendan chose the girl, girl convinces him to leave his mother behind and tommy, being the good kid that he was and always used to being attached to his mother, stayed behind to take care of her. I don't think brendan deserved a phone call from tommy informing him about his mother's passing. IT'S NOT LIKE BRENDAN GAVE ANY SORT OF A *beep* He chose some girl over the woman who cared and gave birth to him, while Tommy stayed behind to care for her as he explained
"Vomiting in a *beep* box with no heat, having me rub her down with holy water cause she didn't have no insurance." So you know what, *beep* that whole "brotherly love", there's nothing like it when your brother is a piece of *beep* with a lot nerve trying to put together back a broken relationship.
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lil_bratz57
9 years ago
You need to remember that Tommy left when he was young. Way before his drug use (which I'm assuming started after the friendly fire incident). Brendan would have had no idea about it and since Tommy wasn't on drugs when they finally met again probably still didn't know about it by the films end. So this argument is completely irrelevant.
Brendan wouldn't have needed to hire a PI as his dad already did that, which he probably knew about. I totally understand both their reasons for the animosity. Tommy feels abandoned by Brendan as he was supposed to come along with him and his mother. He then blames him for not being there when his mother was ill and he was the sole carer for a dying woman. At a young age that is a lot to handle. Brendan never got the chance to say goodbye to his mother because of Tommy. He never knew she was ill. Tommy in not getting in touch with Brendan took that chance away from him.
This is a fictional film but the emotional baggage behind both the main characters actions/ non-actions are very plausible. I know of people in similar places.
As for your statement - realism is subjective. It's not! Realism is fact which is objective. Subjective is opinions. What is real and what is not is not fact, not an opinion. Therefore, if your realism is subjective and differs from what everybody else sees as fact you should maybe get yourself checked out.
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firelion8000
9 years ago
Nothing to do with being a *****. Tommy had suffered years of emotional abuse and trauma. That damages most people psychologically.
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FliptFlopt
12 years ago
The question of how he got from Afghanistan to the US after going AWOL isn't completely off-base (no pun intended). It isn't that easy to change your name and all your legal documents and IDs, like say, a passport. It takes a long time and there's a lot of red tape. I think he most likely went to another country in the middle east. I'm not that familiar with the geography over there, but there are countries that aren't complete war zones. Bahrain, for instance, has a lot of British and other European tourists. He probably caught a regular passenger flight out of a country like that and connected to the US from Europe using his passport under his real name. Even though he was AWOL, he might not have been missed yet or the military isn't able to communicate with all the other middle eastern countries' agencies governing aviation. But, I would imagine it would still be difficult traveling through those countries, crossing borders, etc.
The main plot-hole in this movie for me is the fact that Brendan, the high school teacher, won at all. We're supposed to believe that he did that simply because his trainer kept yelling 'Beethoven' at him every time he got in trouble? "Feel the Beethoven!" Blah.
The Fighter was better in that respect, but I still find the Warrior pretty entertaining and really well acted by the main cast.
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