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Would you have married him while Bertha still lived?


Put yourself in the shoes of a 19th century girl. My answer is No. Her line "I must respect myself" hit home.

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No, but I sure would have thought about it. ;)

Jane Eyre is such a wonderful, strong, and inspiring character, but I've always thought it was interesting at how after that whole speech where she turned Mr Rochester away, (after she found out he was married) but in the end when she felt him 'call' her, she went straight away to him with next to no regard for the fact that for all she knew, he was still married to that d*** Bertha.

Just a thought.





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I think that it took everything she had to resist him and so over time her resolve broke down. She must have felt a certain desperation in the way the voice was calling her. At least that's what I imagine. You know like in the depths of despair he was calling out to her and because of their connection she heard him.

BTW I loved the way he described the bond between the two of them in the proposal scene.

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I would, but not Jane, she is a much better person than me.

We often wonder what would she do if his wife wasn't dead the time she comes back to Thornfield. What if he, besides crippled and blind, were still married?


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We often wonder what would she do if his wife wasn't dead the time she comes back to Thornfield

The million dollar question!

Jane rushes to Thornfield to "know something of him whose voice seemed last night to summon" her. On the way, she experiences a struggle between conscience (the monitor) and heart. Her thoughts:

"Your master himself may be beyond the British Channel, for aught you know: and then, if he is at Thornfield Hall, towards which you hasten, who besides him is there? His lunatic wife: and you have nothing to do with him: you dare not speak to him or seek his presence. You have lost your labour--you had better go no farther," urged the monitor. "Ask information of the people at the inn; they can give you all you seek: they can solve your doubts at once. Go up to that man, and inquire if Mr. Rochester be at home."

The suggestion was sensible, and yet I could not force myself to act on it. I so dreaded a reply that would crush me with despair. To prolong doubt was to prolong hope. I might yet once more see the Hall under the ray of her star. There was the stile before me--the very fields through which I had hurried, blind, deaf, distracted with a revengeful fury tracking and scourging me, on the morning I fled from Thornfield: ere I well knew what course I had resolved to take, I was in the midst of them. How fast I walked! How I ran sometimes! How I looked forward to catch the first view of the well-known woods! With what feelings I welcomed single trees I knew, and familiar glimpses of meadow and hill between them!






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In all honesty, yes, because I lack the strength of Jane. I would run away and follow him to the end of the Earth.

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Even though if Mr. Rochester looked like Michael Fassbender, and it was the 19th century, I would do what jane did and leave. It would tear me to pieces and I'd cry everyday but it just wouldn't be right with "crazy wife" there.

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I'd like to think I would do as she did, but I don't know if I'm that strong, especially if Rochester looks like Michael Fassbender (I am literally in love wth that man hehe). Jane is so strong, but it did tear her up. It took everything she had to do that. She does consider doing it, but she has too much self-respect to do something she considers morally repugnant. I would love tobe that kind of person, which is one of the reasons I love this story.

No, father, the moon's reaching for me!

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Nope.

I hope you like feminist rants because that's kind of my thing.

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yes yes I would

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Their connection was very deep and Jane demonstrated how difficult it was for her to leave. I understood the depth of the connection having had one myself. There is no right or wrong, the connection is all consuming.

I believe Jane did the best she could to live her life without him but St. John breaks open that wound with his words '...enough of love will follow'. Jane is a woman that truly knows the depths of love and to be married without love would truly be torment. It is clear that St. John knows nothing about her and despite his good intentions will never know her; the passionate Jane.

So when St. John dismisses her concerns, he has ripped open a gaping wound and reopened that connection with Rochester.

I got it and understood it. I liked this Jane and Rochester very much.

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Yes

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What you mean is, "Would you have committed adultery with him?" since there could be no marriage while his wife was still living.

No, I wouldn't. Not living then, not living now.

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I like to think that I would have Jane's integrity and strength of character in that situation, but I probably would've stayed, then regretted my decision and eventually left. I'm weak. But on a serious note, I think that's what makes Jane such a remarkable character. Put yourself in her shoes: This is a girl who has been denied love most of her life. Every time she gets kindness or love in her grasp, it's shortly snatched away from her. First with Helen and then with Rochester. No doubt it was an extremely hard and painful decision for her, but she had the dignity and an unshakable self-worth that makes her unique in any time. Jane knew at eighteen what it takes many women decades into adulthood to figure out: Her opinion of herself matters far more than Rochester’s or anyone else’s. She refused to fall short of the moral standards she set for herself. Sorry for the rambling, but that's pretty much why I love her.

"A half-finished book is, after all, a half-finished love affair."

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You are not rambling at all, in fact your message sums up the situation very well.
30 years ago I was faced with the same dilemma and didn't walk away ----
I never regretted it but I may have done in the mid 19thC.However I was a lot older than 18.




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Fruit flies like a banana.

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The following passages in Chapter 27 help us to understand Jane's motives for leaving Rochester in the first place:


(Rochester:) "...Hiring a mistress is the next worse thing to buying a slave: both are often by nature, and always by position, inferior: and to live familiarly with inferiors is degrading. I now hate the recollection of the time I passed with Celine, Giacinta, and Clara."

I felt the truth of these words; and I drew from them the certain inference, that if I were so far to forget myself and all the teaching that had ever been instilled into me, as--under any pretext--with any justification--through any temptation--to become the successor of these poor girls, he would one day regard me with the same feeling which now in his mind desecrated their memory. I did not give utterance to this conviction: it was enough to feel it. I impressed it on my heart, that it might remain there to serve me as aid in the time of trial.



.......(Rochester:)"Is it better to drive a fellow-creature to despair than to transgress a mere human law, no man being injured by the breach? for you have neither relatives nor acquaintances whom you need fear to offend by living with me?"

This was true: and while he spoke my very conscience and reason turned traitors against me, and charged me with crime in resisting him. They spoke almost as loud as Feeling: and that clamoured wildly. "Oh, comply!" it said. "Think of his misery; think of his danger--look at his state when left alone; remember his headlong nature; consider the recklessness following on despair--soothe him; save him; love him; tell him you love him and will be his. Who in the world cares for YOU? or who will be injured by what you do?"

Still indomitable was the reply--"I care for myself. The more solitary, the more friendless, the more unsustained I am, the more I will respect myself. I will keep the law given by God; sanctioned by man. I will hold to the principles received by me when I was sane, and not mad--as I am now. Laws and principles are not for the times when there is no temptation: they are for such moments as this, when body and soul rise in mutiny against their rigour; stringent are they; inviolate they shall be. If at my individual convenience I might break them, what would be their worth? They have a worth--so I have always believed; and if I cannot believe it now, it is because I am insane--quite insane: with my veins running fire, and my heart beating faster than I can count its throbs. Preconceived opinions, foregone determinations, are all I have at this hour to stand by: there I plant my foot."



Jane has principles and a sense of self-worth which guide her in her decision to leave Edward. Nonetheless, as she stumbles her way to the coach-stop, she hates herself for hurting her master:


...In the midst of my pain of heart and frantic effort of principle, I abhorred myself. I had no solace from self- approbation: none even from self-respect. I had injured--wounded-- left my master. I was hateful in my own eyes.

A year later, having heard Rochester's outcry from afar, she returns to Thornfield in order that she may "know something of him whose voice seemed last night to summon [her]". But, of course, she experiences the conflict between conscience (the monitor) and heart that I describe in a previous post.








Who knows where the time goes?

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No I would have left because I would know that this could not be what God had for me since His Word tells us that we are not to commit adultery. I would feel great compassion for Rochester based on how he was tricked into the marriage and I would not be angry with him for trying to have some happiness. It would be extremely difficult but I would have to leave or else become one of the women he despised from his past.

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Oh, this isn't rambling, it's perfect. This is exactly why I have always loved Jane as a character, and why she means so much to me.

Jane has never known love of any kind. She has always been alone, always friendless, with no real, lasting ties until Rochester. Now, she has known what it is to be loved by someone who loves deeply, and knows what kind of pain losing that love will cause her. Yet, she will stay true to herself, to her principals and her morals, to what she knows is right.

I know you wrote this years ago but I wanted to say how strongly what you wrote resonates with me.

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Yes and not because I wouldn't have the strength that Jane had, but because I don't think it would be wrong. I'm a religious person, but to me any religion that doesn't allow divorce in such a situation is not worth following (the situation of being married to a raving lunatic).

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this so much! Bertha committed adultery and attempted to murder him multiple times each! the fact that she is insane and can't help it should be even stronger grounds for an annulment.

Especially since Rochester appears to be willing to pay for her care. Who would the state/church NOT want to annul the marriage so that he can have a new wife with whom he can have healthy offspring?

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Yes and not because I wouldn't have the strength that Jane had, but because I don't think it would be wrong. I'm a religious person, but to me any religion that doesn't allow divorce in such a situation is not worth following (the situation of being married to a raving lunatic).


Legally she couldn't marry him, but I agree that it wouldn't be morally wrong for the two of them to be together. I think it's morally wrong to force someone to stay in a marriage he or she isn't happy in. That being said, with the constraints that society had, I would not want any children of mine being looked down on because they were "illegitimate." Damn what a horrible label to put on a child. I'm so glad things have changed since then.

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