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After watching Iron Man 3.....


I have a new found appreciation for Iron Man 2. I no longer view it as the movie that was a letdown after Iron Man, but the sequel I took for granted that wasn't a total piece of *beep* like Iron Man 3.

Justin Hammer, I personally apologize for considering you an annoying and terrible character. Aldrich Killian showed what that really is.

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Yeah, I think the opposite. Really Liked Iron Man, hated Iron Man 2. Thought Iron Man 3 was awesome. Whiplash wasn't that good of a villain, despite Micky Rourke being a great actor. I'm not going to exaggerate and call the movie a piece of crap though.

I don't get how Killian was annoying. I always get a kick out of people who call a movie total piece of sh*t cause they didn't like it.

Most of the Marvel films have been pretty Good. I'm hoping the next Cap and Thor films aren't a let down.

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I didn't find Killian annoying. I found him so incredibly generic as a villain, and that I found annoying.

I don't understand the Iron Man 2 hate either. The villains were more compelling, it was closer to the comic canon, the lines were better. I was disappointed that Scarlett Johanssen didn't put on a thicker Russian accent, and had curly shoulder length hair. (Black Widow in the comics was willowy, and had waist long, straight hair.) IM2 obviously didn't match the original, but it was a good Iron Man movie. It shouldn't be lower ranked to IM3.

I can't put my finger on why I found IM3 so unsatisfying than the others. Disappointed how the Mandarin was retconned, but I understand why. I think part of the problem was that the villain was pretty generic. I didn't like the panic attacks either. I found the way the plot and dialogue was constructed, it was more of a relationship film, bleh. I hate force feeding the smurfy kid into a PG-13 movie about violent comic book adults. Tony Stark as Unarmored James Bond was a false note too. It seemed very much like a "Tony Stark grows up" movie, and who wants that???

Even the action sequences bothered me. 13 people able to grab each other and hold their grip during a deceleration bugged me. And there was something unconvincing about the final combat scene; it struck me as too frenetic for the protagonists to keep up with what was going on.

IM3 is about the same as Captain America and Thor. But no way is it better or even on par with IM2.

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I agree, 2 was a much better written movie, I enjoyed the plot much more.

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I agree 100%. I'll never understand why people love 3 so much. I hope time will show part 3 for what it really is.

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Marvel are already fixing the horrible Mandarin twist.

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IM3 was crap. I left the cinema severely disappointed. It was all over the place and the jokes were not far removed from Michael Bay levels. The amount of drones used was pushing it, Tony himself was hardly in the suit. Iron Patriot was laughable and the Mandarin was super *beep* The lowest point for me was the moment where he screams that he himself is the mandarin. As if that wasn't obvious like about an hour earlier.

Iron Man 2 I never really hated. It was an enjoyable romp and though the plot and climax were kind of weak it used the Black Widow, Nick Fury and Rhodes very well. Hammer was bad, and Vanko was aside from a great Monaco scene quite underused in the action. His character wasn't really developed either. Not as good as the first but I like it, even after multiple viewings. I couldn't sit through the third the second time.



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Is everyone in this thread collectively trolling me? Iron Man 3 isn't just the best Iron Man movie, it's the best movie in the MCU. Iron Man 2, on the other hand, was garbage.

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I'd meet you halfway on that. I think Iron Man 3 is better than Iron Man 2, but not as good as the first.

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hmm let's see... flying pieces, annoying kid, wizard powers... yeah, iron man 3 was rubbish. but better than superman iv: the quest for peace.

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I will reincarnate this thread because I totally agree.

My family and I just watched this movie and Iron Man 3 (IM3 for the first time) and WOW, this movie is WAY better than 3.

This is a simpler movie. Vanko wants revenge for simple reasons, and Hammer is a competitor who wants to make money. Add in the subplot of Tony Stark dying and his relationship with Pepper, and there you have it. Simple and fun movie, very entertaining.

Half way through IM3, the kids and I were yelling - WHERE IS IRON MAN??

I get that IM3 was a more ambitious movie and wanted to show that Tony Stark was the hero, not Iron Man, but in order for that to happen and for Tony and Pepper to survive, everything was SO CONTRIVED. My God.

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I didn't get to see Iron Man 2 in the theaters, but I don't see what the big 'letdown' was all about.

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Killian was perfect, so tired of people complaining about him.
It was him, all along, since Obadiah and the cave (you can see the Mandarin symbol on the wall of the cave).

He wasn't just mad cause Tony left him hanging.
That was just the last drop on the bucket.

He was crippled, an outcast, he wanted to perfect himself, intrigue Pepper and capture her as a trophy and wanted to ruin Tony's life all around to show that he's better, and of course, dominate the world creating supply and demand through warfare and selling Tony's own weapons.
Remember how demonized Tony was in Sokovia in AoU? Those shells that hit the twins house...all of Killian's work, consequences of his work.

He was the Mandarin, whether people like it or not.
He just wasn't the obvious asian with black tats, but he had the modern design with the black dragon tattoos on his chest and back and even the power to breathe fire, just like the comics Mandarin, although in the comics he did it by magic and in the movie it's science.

IMDB - Internet Moronic Database

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It was him, all along, since Obadiah and the cave (you can see the Mandarin symbol on the wall of the cave).

All Hail The King seems to disagree.
Remember how demonized Tony was in Sokovia in AoU? Those shells that hit the twins house...all of Killian's work, consequences of his work.

That's a stretch. It was more likely either Obadiah or just Stark himself. That happened to the twins years ago, likely while Stark was still a carefree arms dealer.
even the power to breathe fire, just like the comics Mandarin

Comic Mandarin doesn't breathe fire.
although in the comics he did it by magic and in the movie it's science

Comic Mandarin uses alien technology in the form of his rings. That isn't magic. Also, they don't involve him breathing fire.

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I feel the exact same way, compared to Iron Man 3, this movie is a master piece :)

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Although someone already responded to you, I will write my reply anyway.

Killian was perfect, so tired of people complaining about him.


Perfect as one-dimensional villain with weak motivation.

It was him, all along, since Obadiah and the cave (you can see the Mandarin symbol on the wall of the cave).


And it somehow makes him a better character? If so, it only retrogressively ruins the continuity of the first film. If the only reason why Stark ended up in that cave was because he snubbed some loser at the Christmas party, then first Iron Man is not as good as I thought it was. Thankfully, this dumb reveal won't stop me from enjoying the first Iron Man, since I know that before Shane Black decided to ruin everything, the man behind Ten Rings was always going to be The Mandarin. Jon Favraue was going to do The Mandarin if he didn't drop Iron Man 3 because he was burned out after Iron Man 2.

He wasn't just mad cause Tony left him hanging.


Then what was the point of showing that scene and making such a strong emphasis on it?

That was just the last drop on the bucket.


Which drop? That was literally like the first time that they met each other. It can't be a last drop in the bucket, simply because there wasn't any previous drops in the bucket before he didn't met Stark.

He was crippled


He wasn't. He was a nerdy-looking doofus with inferiority complex, that's it.

an outcast


ORLY? Never saw that before.

he wanted to perfect himself


It's so relatable, I'm almost on the verge of crying, pal. You know, Aldrich Killian's origin sounds so much better than Mandarin's origin. I mean, who would be interested in a character who became so corrupted for his power and desire for world domination, he lost hid bond with humanity. Because of his blind desire for the world domination, he can't understand the simple human emotions, despite wanting to be be-all and end-all of the human hierarchy. Mandarin accidentally killed his bride, Me Ling, who died at the last moment of the battle between Iron Man and Mandarin, because she realized that Mandarin doesn't want to love her - all he wants is to rule. Or how about Mandarin's emotional bankruptcy that can't allow him to feel compassion for the others. How about the time where he abounded his son, Temujin, because he couldn't raise him with love and compassion, since he never understood any of those things, because he was always deprived from them. Nope, F that. A guy who has inferiority complex that feels insecure about his looks is more interesting, yep.

wanted to ruin Tony's life all around to show that he's better, and of course, dominate the world creating supply and demand through warfare and selling Tony's own weapons.


So he wanted to do the same thing that two previous Iron Man villains tried to do?


Remember how demonized Tony was in Sokovia in AoU?


I don't, actually. Stark wasn't demonized in Age of Ultron.

Those shells that hit the twins house...all of Killian's work, consequences of his work.


No, it isn't. Stark started out as a weapon manufacturer because of his father's legacy, not because of some snubbed loser from Christmas party.

He was the Mandarin, whether people like it or not.


He wasn't the Mandarin, whether you like it or not.

He just wasn't the obvious asian with black tats


If he's not Asian, then he's not Mandarin, duh. The word "Mandarin" itself refers to social hierarchy of Imperial China.

but he had the modern design with the black dragon tattoos on his chest


How those dragon tattoos make me any kind of Mandarin? Also, Mandarin doesn't have tattoos in comics. Here, his full body shots - no tattoos:

http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11129/111294318/5328983-im269_05.jpg


and even the power to breathe fire, just like the comics Mandarin


Mandarin never had the ability to breathe fire. What are you smoking?

although in the comics he did it by magic and in the movie it's science.


Pal, do you have any idea of what you're talking about? Comic book Mandarin doesn't breathe fire and he doesn't do that with the help of magic...

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