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Ok, so who did it?


I just watched this movie. So who actually killed moon? The homeless guy or the son? I'm just not clear.

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Miss Scarlett in the hall with a revolver!

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I am just amazed someone on here actually said the Junkyard Man was the killer. That person is fried.

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It seems likely that the son threw the rock at her. However the scene in which this is shown is a flashback as told by the junk man. So whether you believe it was the son depends on whether you take the junk man's story as truth. It's a bit like Kurosawa's Rashomon.

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Except not at all. It's not ambiguous nor is there any reason for the junk man to kill and lie about the girl. It's clear the son killed her, although he wasn't quite aware of what he was actually doing.

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Everyone here is wrong, it clearly was Sepaktakraw Detective. They were playing the apple-biting game and he missed, oops

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I didn't read any of the other "theories" on here but for me it is obvious that the son killed the girl which is kind of the twist the mother didn't expect. The son seemed to forget things and only after a while he remembered certain details at a time much later.
For example he didn't remember that his buddy kicked off the rear mirror of the Mercedes instead of him. Also only later he suddenly remembered that his mother tried to poison him when he was 5.
I guess he can't remember that he killed the girl so he probably even believed he didn't do it just like he believed that he kicked off the car mirror.

The homeless guy knew certain details he could only know if the his story was true, for example that the son gets into a rage as soon as people call him a retard. If the son had just walked away like we first got to see and the homeless guy killed the girl, how can he know this detail about the son? Also the homeless guy didn't know that the woman was the mother of the guy he told her was the murderer. He had no reason to lie or say anything if he had actually done it.
He also mentioned the part of how the son tried to meditate by using acupressure on his head which made the mother realize that the homeless guy must be telling the truth. She killed him in a rage because she didn't want to accept the fact but later she realized what she had done and that the homeless guy told her the truth. That's why she broke down and cried when she visited the other boy who was now accused for her son's crime but she just kept her mouth shut and at the end in the bus she used the acupuncture method on her upper-thigh that she described makes you forget all bad memories. Basically she wanted to forget what she and her son did and just move on.

At the end she had absolute loyalty to her son no matter what.

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I just watched this film and enjoyed it. However, after the Mother going to see JP in jail, I couldn't decide whether it was the junk collector or the son - although we couldn't 100% say with certainty that JP didn't do it, for the sake of discussing the other two suspects, I'm going to discount him.

Although the last few scenes suggest that the son was responsible, the one piece of evidence I can't really get my head round is why was there a photo of the junk collector on the girl's phone?

It's true that the girl and junk collector may have had a liaison previously and she may have been on her way there to meet him, although it doesn't look that way to me in the film based on how she kind of side steps - as if she'd intended to keep walking. If the junk collector had indeed recalled his story with 100% truth, when he had seen the girl he knew (as the photo must have been taken before she died as there is no reason he'd implicate himself after by taking his own photo and not keeping the phone!), why did he not intervene? Even if he chose not to intervene, why did not go after the son to ensure his capture, or call the police earlier to give his testimony (he waits until the mother is round before jumping up, saying he should call the police)? I wondered if he knew the mother was onto him so concocted some of the story and then showed like he was trying to prove his innocence by saying he'd call the police.

I agree that the son most probably was seen by the junk collector at the scene of the crime as he knew the way he massaged his temples, and the audience knows the son was there BUT the fact that he saw the son massage his temples doesn't make the rest of his tale true. All we know is that he has seen the son do this at some point before (potentially the enactment or he's seen him around town).

A possibility is that the son did throw the rock in retaliation, massaged his temples as he was frightened and shaken up, but then left the scene. The girl may have entered the house, or the junk collector gone outside to see if she was ok - this girl does not have a good family - he may have played a gentle father figure (previously she said "I hate men" and judging by other comments, it seems she's mainly slept with high school guys so may have seen him differently). She may have then taken a photo of him and for whatever reason, he kills her (possibly following rape - we don't really know much about his character, other than that he's a bit of a loner). These are of course just speculations but they are possibilities as I find it highly significant that guy's photo is on her phone which is never explained.

Going back to the last scene again where the son is commenting about why someone would hang the girl up for all to see, again this could still potentially be something the junk collector might have done due to what we do know about his character - he seems to be a nobody (the mother barely acknowledges him when she purchases an umbrella) and lives outside the town, yet putting the body on show is something the whole town gets to see.

I think the film makers may have intended for it to be the son as it makes a better story, although that's subjective in itself, but I don't believe there is anyway from concretely knowing either way as to what really happened. I find it interesting from a psychological perspective that which we assume to be true.

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The film isn't really ambiguous about this. The junk man's account doesn't contradict the son's account or what the viewer has seen before. It adds missing detail, and that detail is in line with what is known to the viewer. Particularly, the junk man accurately describes the son's habit of getting violent when someone calls him an idiot. That's specific detail about the son's behavior that the junk man cannot just so have made up. In the end, even the mother knows that her son killed the girl, which is why she cries when she frames the other boy and why she wants to forget.

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Ugh, it was perfectly clear wasn't it?

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The son did. It couldn't have been Jin-tae because he's willing to help find the real murderer. It wasn't the junkman because he just wanted to get laid, because he had sex before. It wasn't JP either because the blood on his shirt was really because of her nosebleeds. In a flashback scene, she has a nosebleed and her friend says how often she has those, everyday. That leaves Doo-jun. The fact that the junkman was able to say what how Doo-jun acted is in accordance to Doo-jun's actions as we see throughout the movie confirms this. This is why his mother killed the old man because if he were to testify in court, her son wouldn't have been set free.

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