Ok, so who did it?
I just watched this movie. So who actually killed moon? The homeless guy or the son? I'm just not clear.
shareI just watched this movie. So who actually killed moon? The homeless guy or the son? I'm just not clear.
shareThe son. We see him throwing the stone that kills her. The son was taught to always fight back if someone calls him a retard.
shareOn top of that later... the son suggests that maybe the "killer" would have dragged her up to the roof for all to see, so somebody could come HELP her (which gives insight into what HE was thinking when he put her up there on the roof).
His alternate explanation (to the "displaying the revenge for the whole village to see" theory) for a motive for bringing the girl to the roof further evidence that the old man's story was true.
Otherwise there's no reason for him to bring that up.
The junk man killed her. The key scene is the first time we see the son following the girl. The son of course walks up the hill.
The true killer (Junk man) was killed, whilst the JP guy was framed for something he did not do. This is why the mother breaks down when she asks him if he (JP has a mother (who would then be in her position).
You didn't watch the film did you? Not properly, I think you must have fallen asleep at a crucial point
sharelolzzzz you're worse than the mother. At least she accepted her son was a killer. You're trying to search for the happiest possible scenario here. The Junk man's explanation was very detailed which proves the credibility of it. I don't want to spoon feed, watch him narrate the story again and you will realize.
shareI can see why you thought that, but I just rewatched the scene from the son's perspective, and the flashback as told by the junk man, and you can tell that the first one cuts just before the schoolgirl called out, causing the son to turn around. Thus, the junk man's story completes the event, making it clear that the son did, in fact, kill her.
shareAgree. I just replayed the scene when I read this thread. The scene was cut before the girl calls him. Which is the junk man clearly the sole witness on this event. However, It's not intention.. if you see it, the place where the girl hides was so dark. He just throw that big stone and luckily hits the girl.
sharethen why was the photo of junk man in moon's mobile...? i couldn't clear this one.
shareHe was one of the men sleeping with Moon. In the FAQ's it's suggested that the reason why he was in the house and spreading out a mat is because he was going to have sex with her again, he even had the rice to pay her. I agree, since the junk man had more or less a home of his own, so why "sleep" in a different place? Has was going to have sex with her as he did before.
sharethanks for clearing that.
shareYes, the son. And their letting the other odd chunky young dude with glasses take the fall.
This is one of several threads on this forum asking who really killed the girl. Sorry, but I don't understand how anyone can watch the film and not know. It was made pretty obvious in the last half hour.
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How can a mentally ill kill someone?
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Oh, Jesus Christ... The mentally ill cannot kill someone?
Someone who is retarded cannot be capable of murder?
So, you are saying that the mentally retarded are incapable of murder?
Mother flippin' disability-ist.
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RussianRoulette may seem rude, but I understand his/her frustration about your claim that people with mental illnesses cannot commit murder. They absolutely can. It has happened many times.
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However when you look at people with proper bad mental illness or autistic mentally ill, I'm sorry if people are going to judge them as being able to kill, that person must be a low life idiot. These kinds of people (like the boy in this movie) do not even know what is right or wrong, they always live in their own world.
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Until now you have been using the word "kill", not "murder".
*Plot hole was used to confuse that the JP mentally ill was the actual killer, but may not be! How can a mentally ill kill someone? Everyone said JP ran out of the sanatorium. The kids said he's her boyfriend too.
mentally ill cannot kill someone!
However when you look at people with proper bad mental illness or autistic mentally ill, I'm sorry if people are going to judge them as being able to kill, that person must be a low life idiot.
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ive watched this movie a bunch of times and ive seen it in the theater when it first came out.
all you who dont think the son was the killer need to watch the movie again because you all missed the entire point of the film.
do-joon threw the rock back at the girl and it hit her in the head killing her by accident. its not that hard to understand.
just because he was mentally ill does not mean he is not capable of throwing a rock at someone.....sure he diddnt mean to kill her, but he did.
when mother was talking to do-joon at the end im pretty sure he realized that the mother killed the junkman. which is why do-joon went back into his memory again to erase what he did and again replaced it with the rock landing near the girls feet. at this time the mother also knew that her son was the murderer.
they both got away with killing ppl.
and the one person who went down for what do-joon did was also mentally ill and he was found with the victims blood on him. so the cops arent going to believe him no matter what and the mother isnt going to turn in her son after all she just went through.
then at the end she was so stressed she gave herself that special acupuncture in the leg which would explain the opening of the film.
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father of fat chicks lol.........u need to watch this movie again. you are NOT right!
the junkman is not the killer......think what u wnt but its made clear in the movie that the son is the killer.
part of the films trick is that it was the son. and that the mother had killed someone also.
and enough w/the mentally ill cannot kill/murder already
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The son kills the girl accidentally, responding in the way his mother taught him. The movie is brilliant because while the mother is trying to prove her son's innocence, she finds her own guilt at the end, and then clears her head of the memories.
The point of the film wasn't to have the Mother claim vengeance on the man who framed her son, that would be too straightforward and simple a use of vengeance for a Korean director (who are masters of attaching more complex themes to revenge).
I am just trying to have an enlightening conversation...please don't attack me as you have done to others.
Also, I agree that the junk man is lying to Mother, I do think that he was there to sleep with the girl. He lied and told her he was there to be alone because he was ashamed to be seen as an old pervert...he didn't, however, kill the girl...we know he is not lying about that because he perfectly explains the quirks and character movements of the son (the rubbing of the temples). It's one of those hints that a director will give to you.
I understand your frustration, you really wanted the son to be innocent, and he was to a degree (he never meant to harm anyone). But nonetheless...I have to debate this with you, because if the son didn't kill the girl then the movies themes would be largely underplayed and most of this film would have meant little and it would have become not worth the watch.
Bong Joon-Ho is really a master of underground cinematic themes. Take The Host for example: What might seem to be just another B-Monster Movie is actually so much more under the surface...dealing with issues like poverty, and the strength of family over nationality and the oppression of the government against the lower class. Mother is like this, it deals with the psychology of parenting and the dangers of obsession. In the end, Mother lets go of her son, and her guilt.
why do you think JP(the guy finally framed) was mentally ill?? There is no evidence to support that theory. I would have instantly called it bogus but since you say you've seen this movie multiple number of times, i presume you have a reasoning.
shareIn my previous post, I was trying to explain why there was a misunderstanding. I was saying, in effect, "Okay, I get what you're saying now, but the way you said it before led to some confusion." But this latest post of yours shows me that there was no misunderstanding; you're just mistaken. Actually, you keep contradicting yourself, so maybe you're a troll or English isn't your first language.
kill, murder are under the same circumstances man! What's the difference?
to kill someone is the same as murder, murder is associated with law and crime whereas someone is about to be judged or sentenced. Kill is referred to general description of murdering someone.
Accident and intentionally are two different definition!
Just because I'm talking about general mentally ill doesn't mean I'm referring to everyone, you should know the specific I am talking about.
Mentally ill patient cannot kill/murder someone intentionally!
Mentally ill are not even capable of killing/murdering someone by accident unless they are aware of the surrounding and can control their emotions.
And NO, Yoon Do-Joon is not a high functionality person!
He threw the rock that landed on near the girl's feet, no where did the director showed the rock landing on the girl's head. You are assuming the rock landed on the girl's head and simply using your opinion.
Watch the last minute of the ending when Yoon Do-Joon says he finally remembers. The director clears all confusion and plays the whole incident for the audience again. This time in reverse. If you pause the video when Yoon Do-Joon says "you don't like boys?". The girl runs into the ally and director rewinds that scene, PAUSE the video and look inside the house to see the mechanic hiding.
lol ever seen the british film let him have it? based on a real life event which I think (could be wrong) was the last time a person faced capital punishment in england. A mentally ill person murder a policeman so your statement is wrong, not only that there are degrees of mental illness so to suggest no mentally ill person could commit murder is ridiculous.
shareThe mentally ill can and do commit murder. I think the question is Do they have or understand the intent?" The son did kill the girl, but, he lacked intent.
shareYes, he killed her, but it wasn't an intentional killing. He was just mad because she called him a retard, and he reacted the way he usually did in that situation (attacked the other person). Afterwards, he realized that she was hurt, so he put her in a place where others would see that she needed help. I don't think he ever wanted her to die.
Very clever mystery, I think. The only other mystery I know of which involves a mentally challenged man is one by G.K. Chesterton, but that one has quite a different ending.
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The son killed her - you are wrong.
Nothing you say proves otherwise...
It aint like it used to be, but it'll do
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The son did not do the murder. Watch the murder scene: after the boulder comes out of the room and almost hits him on the foot, he trudges away. There's no break in the film to indicate that something happened between the boulder and his leaving.
The junk man, living in that small town, undoubtedly knew the son's idiosyncracies, and was lying to mother about the event. The junk man killed her.
By the way, that scene has a Lynchian feel to it.
Really an excellent movie. The mother was phenomenal.
"'Scuse me while I whip this out"
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The film intentionally omits some scenes in the beginning IN ORDER TO TRICK VIEWERS.
When the merchant reveals the whole truth, the shock is even greater. The mother's son is the killer. In the end, he even explains why he dragged the body up to the roof! I don't understand how some people refuse to understand that.
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shareit was the son, not the junkman. This was a regular meeting place for the junkman and girl. The junkman heard a phrase that ended in 'retard' it was always that word that was the breaking point of Do-joon and he would do some physical to reaction to it, not knowing throwing the rock would accidentally hit her in the head and kill the girl.
The scene where we see him slouching away after the boulder was thrown at him was cut short because the son's memory blocked out the murder, either from self-preservation, mental illness or drunkenness. He did commit the murder, the junk dealer had no motive to lie. If it was him who murdered the girl then he wouldn't have brought it up in the first place.
shareTHE SON KILLED THE GIRL. Any reason to disprove this is rubbish, and whoever tries to argue is a retard themselves.
The innocent man put in jail was also retarded (he claimed they were lovers, which isn't true because the girl, before her death, yells out how much she hates men. he was obsessed with pretty girls, and so was DO-JOON) MEMORIES OF MURDER also had a situation where a retarded man was being blamed for something he did not do (which is obviously an issue in Korea between detectives and suspects)
But in this case, it WAS the retard.
"There's no break in the film to indicate that something happened between the boulder and his leaving" WTF does that mean? There is no break because there was an entire proceeding sequence where he throws the rock back because the girl called him a retard.
ONCE THE ROCK HIT HER, SHE DID NOT INSTANTLY DIE. LATER, HE REMINISCES AROUND THE DINNER TABLE THAT SHE WAS BLEEDING AND NEEDED TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL. (SOMETHING ONLY THE MURDERER WOULD KNOW) HE DOES NOT FULLY REMEMBER, BUT SAYS THAT IF IT WAS HIM, HE WOULD HAVE PUT THE GIRL UP ON THOSE STAIRS SO PEOPLE CAN HELP HER QUICKLY. SO OBVIOUSLY, HE DIDN'T INTENTIONALLY KILL THE GIRL. HE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO REACT AND LEFT HER TO BLEED OUT.
it's EXTREMELY sad that you enjoyed the movie as much as the next person, but can't even understand the whole point of it..
So why was the junkman's picture on the girl's phone?
shareBecause he had had sex with her in the past?
sharethe son was the killer........remember in the flashback you see him throwing the rock and it clearly hitting moon on the head and knocking her down, killing her? while the junkman was watching what was going on? the junkman man was waiting for moon to come and **** him so she can get ricewine for her grammy.
the junkman never killed anybody he was just a witness. he sadly met his fate when he revealed to mother what he saw that night.......and mother did what she could to protect her son.......which worked because the junkman was the only witness....then the next day the cops found crazy jp with moons blood stains on him. which is pretty much common sense except the cops didnt know she was a chronic nosebleeder and that she was also ******g jp. the only thing that got the son caught in the beggining was the stupid golfball lol
anyway one of my all-time favorite korean films. it was very rare to watch a movie not knowing that we are following a cold blooded killer the whole time.......a true twist too me
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I don't think the director wanted it to be clear as to who actually killed the girl. That's why some people think that the son did it, and some think it was the junk man. There is ANOTHER possibility as well, if you remember the golf ball and the son's friend who made a lot of money out of the whole thing (he knew the girl, he knew about the golf balls, and he didn't turn up at the pub that night, etc). So there are three suspects and everyone can decide for themselves who they prefer to see as the killer.
sharei own the movie on bluray. thankx but i dont need the videos or someone like you telling me this movie isnt for me.
ive seen this film in the theater and from then on ive had a clear understanding of it.
its not a hard movie to understand.
plus why would the junkman lie? he diddnt know who mother was and had no reason to lie.
the scene of the junkman talking to mother is the truth. where do you get that this is all a lie? do you have any reasons why he would lie? he was telling the mother what he saw that night and that the police caught the right person. the reason mother killed him was because he was the one person who could finger her son. why would the mother snap and kill the junkman if she thought he was the murderer? that does not make sense. wouldnt she go to the police instead? and the reason the 2 glue sniffers said they saw the killer on moons perv phone was because she took a pic of him after they *beep* one time. outta all the ppl on her phone he prob looked the most like a killer to the 2 druggies.
too me that makes the most sense on why she murdered the junkman. he was about to call the police and report that he saw the murder and that it was do-joon. why would the mother flip and kill him if she thought he killed her? she flipped because he saw do-joon kill her and out of protection for her son, she murdered the junkman.
it makes no sense at all if the junkman was the killer. LOL
but think what you want. im done trying to explain this anymore. if you cant understand the REAL plot then you dont deserve to watch this anymore. you are missing the entire point of what the film is saying.
plus what about the golfball? you think that the junkman some how got one of do-joons with his name on it and put it next to the body.....srry i dnt think so. and what about the scene where do-joon is showing the detectives how he did it? you are obviously missing a lot. and so do joon remembered that the junkman was in the house waiting for moon....how does that make the junkman the killer?
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while I agree wutg you philebus, theres just something bout this film i wanna love so im not listening so there lol. I will submit that the extra half hour was too much they should have wrapped the story up after mother killed the old man-it would have had a lot more impact then in my view-son staying in jail rightly, but for the wrong reasons and mother living with the big secret that not only that she knows son is the real murderer (but because of her earlier actions having to keep up the facade that she thinks he is innocent), but also she is a murderer too- actually I thought she was going to make another insectiside drink again and commit suicide successfully.
shareIf you can't comprehend the ending of this movie then... you basically missed the point of this movie.
shareWhen the son pursues the girl and the girl enters the dark place nothing is seen of the son throwing the stone on the girl... We only see it when the story is told by the junkman... I don't know why we can only see that thing when said by the old junkman...After all, it is supposed that what we saw at first was the objective point of view (the narrative thread of the story)and the things told by the old man a subjective point of view...
shareAmazing movie, Korean films rock
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I think it was the son, because the junk collector saw him do it. Plus, how did Crazy JP get one of the son's golf balls?
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