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Um, is it just me or are the majority of zombie movies all just roll into one? It is possibly one of the most unimaginative or unexplored of sub genres? I did think that 28 days later was great but aside from that (oh i forgot to mention i haven't watch every single zombie movie ever made) if feels like it all on repeat. I noticed someone on this board discuss the possibility of a remake. I think if you were to remove the title from the remake no one would have a clue as to which zombie film had been remade. For those hard core fans of zombie movies i hope i havent anger you too much, im not here to pick a fight. If you have any recommendations to help me change my mind, fire away!

Hold on i havent watch 'Dead Snow' yet, that might be one to watch?

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"I think if you were to remove the title from the remake no one would have a clue as to which zombie film had been remade."

I had to laugh because, sadly, I would have to agree with you in a way.

One of the most original zombie movies that I've seen would have to be 'Fido'. I'm a sucker for zombie movies and have seen my fair share. But 'Fido' really sticks out as just an original, funny zombie movie. I do think that the zombie genre has run it's course, so it'll be interesting to see where it goes. I just bought 'The Horde' and haven't watched it yet. I'm just hoping it's better than other cop/gangster zombie movies (Dead Men Walking, Gangs of the Dead, Dead Heist, etc.).

I think it'll be difficult to come up with an original idea for zombie films, since the current formula hasn't changed a bit since the original NOTLD and has been embedded in a lot of horror movie fans.



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I thought Rec was somewhat original as well.

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I saw 'Rec' on 'On demand' and thought it was better than 'Quarantine' in all aspects. It was truly amazing.

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After REC sucked donkey ass, Quarantine was so much better because of my very low exceptations for it.

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fido really really sucked dude

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No.

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It did suck.

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fido really really sucked dude


Lol. I don't know a zombie fan who didn't absolutely love that movie.

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I guess zombie genre is just something that one can only push so far. I mean really, how much farther can you twist the idea of people trying to stay alive in a world overrun by zombies?

I guess the best "new" zombie films are Shaun of the Dead, Dead Set, Rec (but not Rec2), and 28 Days Later. I also watched Siege of the Dead today and I enjoyed it, so I guess that movie could also be in the category. Can't wait to watch The Horde! Dead Snow was ok, I suggest watching Planet Terror instead.

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I guess like all genre films there are going to be a lot of similarities. Probably because most of the people that make the movies like doing a lot of the same things. Once in a while there'll be a big change or different take, but the same tropes turn up because the type of movies are made for people that are in the mood for the same type of things. Most people just watch zombie movies for fun so it's not really taken as an artistic venture.

I liked The Horde, it was fun. But I didn't expect a life changing plot and script. I knew that it would be people running from zombies, shooting at zombies, and turning on each other. It worked for what I was in the mood for. I think the zombies were too fast to really be creepy. The scariness came from them chasing and grabbing you rather than how creepy they were. I liked the zombies, but the building they were in and the way the city looked were scarier than the zombies. But it was a good zombie movie in my opinion. A more than just decent zombie movie, not great, but most movies aren't great anyway. It would work great for a horror night at home or on Halloween. Just eat your popcorn, relax, and have fun.

BTW, I loved Fido, both Rec movies, Quarantine, Shaun of the Dead, Dead Set and 28 Days/Weeks later movies. I see them as different zombie movies for different moods. I plan on watching Siege of the Dead and Dead Snow, eventually. Just for laughs, not expecting to have my world rocked. Lol

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Plane Dead is much better than Dead Snow. You also forgot Dead Set for example (in my opinion totally awesome, possibly just best ever anything zombie).

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Most zombie films follow the basic rules and give the audience what they want - for me, there are two types of zombie film; the ones that follows the rules completely and relies on make up and effects and then there's the ones that try to do something a little different - a lot of this depends on how much money is available - this film started very well and i enjoyed the cops and gangstas working together premise but it quickly turned into the standard zombie film

zombie films that have tried to do something a little different like "stink of flesh, Zombie honeymoon, The dead outside" etc, don't have the money to pull it off succesfully but if they had the money, they'd probably just make the formulaic zombie film - i guess it depends on how much you love the genre - i can watch pretty much any zombie film and enjoy it - though "the zombie diaries" was the weakest i've seen and didn't even attempt to remedy the low budget with an original idea - i'll give a cheap zombie film a chance as long as it makes an effort to be unique but if it's a big budget film then i'm happy for it to follow the formula and do nothing new

The horde was somewhere inbetween






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I've really enjoyed The Walking Dead TV series so far, and for once I'm perfectly happy that its plot deviates a fair bit from the comics. It's one thing to watch a film based on a book you've read and want it to be just like the source material, but I reckon that with a continuing series not knowing everything that is going to happen helps draw me in and pulls me back each week. It helps that it's been done really well too.

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It is possibly one of the most unimaginative or unexplored of sub genres?


I would say this about most sub-genres, romantic comedies, war movies, cop movies, slashers, vampires, monsters, biker, aliens, road, survival, etc.

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A lot of the problem is the shift from slow to fast zombies, it's somewhat subtle but it alters the entire feel of the film. The slow zombies had great potential as a means to commentary, a new society "rising up" to consume the old (which, in itself is nothing new, Matheson was doing that in his "I Am Legend", and other authors even further back than that), they weren't individually a threat so the real driving force behind everything is us...WE become complacent and don't think of getting out until thousands are out there or WE start bickering amongst ourselves and bring about our own downfall.

In the more modern zombie movies the whole vibe has changed from one of slowly mounting dread and psychological studies, real true "horror" as we think of it; into a more almost action-movie based feeling with chase scenes and adrenaline-inducing moments. That's totally cool, no problem with that, I love action movies too...but I think it's much harder to work something unique in terms of the story or the artistic message you're trying to get across. Very few pull it off, 28 Days Later (and Weeks for that matter) pulled it off by keeping the actual moments of contact with the infected few and far between. They're treated as more of a "background" issue to the main one of the characters trying to deal with their own issues. David Cronenberg managed a respectable (if low budget) version of fast "infected" decades before that with Shivers and Rabid...I don't know that those could be considered zombie movies though, they're frigging weird films, they're more body horror than zombie film...

In most other cases the only way I find the fast zombies can work is

1. in a Comedic light, Evil Dead, Peter Jackson's "Dead Alive", and the Dead Snow movie you mentioned would fit here. They take the gore and just amp it into the realm of full-out black slapstick.

2. if it treats itself AS just a fun, lightly entertaining action movie. I actually was one of the few fans of the original Dawn that enjoyed the remake, I thought Snider did a great job of just taking the idea, adding that element and having some fun within a general idea (mall, zombies). He never really treats the movie like it's some deep metaphysical philosophical statement or anything so it never comes off as hokey, it's just a gory action flick and it's fun.

Beyond that, what I would suggest if you're looking for really, truly original ideas in terms of Zombie stuff, look in the direction of books...Max Brooks' "World War Z" was completely brilliant I thought, doing it post-war in the style of Studs Terkel was a completely unique take on the idea. About the only attempt that successfully makes the situation "feel" global because you're talking to people from all over, America, China, the entirety of the Middle East, Western Europe of various forms...out of everything zombie related I've seen in the last decade or so I think that's one of the most original takes, removes the "lone group, cut off from society, trying to survive" idea which is pretty much the core of 99% of zombie movie plots.

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I love zombie movies but I agree there are a lot of bad ones out there. Unfortunately any time a certain topic or genre becomes popular, tons of people will try to imitate that formula with varying degrees of success.

Regarding Dead Snow, I thought it was great. To me it had more of an Evil Dead atmosphere than a typical zombie movie. If you're looking for other quality zombie movies I would recommend Pontypool (2008), Shaun of the Dead (2004), Dance of the Dead (2007) which was low-budget but fun, and Zombieland (2009).

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