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Unrealistic money numbers


1. He was making 110k + bonus before he got fired.

2. He had 850k house (that looked to actually be worth about 2M) and drove Porsche.

2 is impossible to afford with 1.



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Actually, he said he was making $120k plus bonuses ($110k was what he was willing to take at the job where he told off the hiring lady). Later on in the film, he said he was offered $80k, which was half what he used to make, so we can assume his bonuses were about $40k.

The house got an offer of $850k, which he said wasn't more than what they were in on it (I assume that means they probably owed a little more than $850k on the house).

The Porsche was a convertible Boxster, so it probably cost about 60K new, but might have been a few years old. My guess is it was leased, and when MAggie gave the keys to the new owner, he was probably taking over the payments (and maybe gave them a little for the sale).

My guess is that this was family that was probably teetering on the financial "edge" even his he hadn't lost his job. The house might have been bought a few years back at a lower cost, then refinanced with equity taken out as the value went up. It is not inconceivable that at the time of the house purchase, it costs less and maybe Maggie was working some shifts to help the income look better for the loan than it really was. Most of the possessions were probably bought on credit and the debt was likely starting to pile up. This would also explain the minimal (if any) savings, and why thinks collapsed so quickly for them.

People live beyond their means all the time and all it takes is one unforeseen event (a sickness, a job loss, etc.) to knock over the house of cards and it can take years to put it back together (if ever). That was the point of their story.

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I agree with everything you say.. if you are an MBA have been working for 12 years, you had a lot of savings, especially with stock options. you can burn these savings on down payment and then with a 25 years mortgage you can buy that 800,000$ house. of course the market has doubled in a few years, so they could have bought the house for less than 500k$ a decade ago, people shouldn't take all the numbers so literally.

now the part that's stretching it for me was the porsche and all the furniture and other accessories in the house. I've known a guy who made about 100k$ and had a Boxster (and even that same color!), however, usually they don't spend on anything else. Small appartment, no kids, etc. I guess the point is indeed to make these guys live way above what they can afford.

None of these numbers are unrealistic to me.



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I thought that at first as well. But, suppose they bought the house for $500,000,then their local market tripled over time, not unrealistic in the 2000's. When they found it was worth $750,000, they refinanced at 80%, borrowing $600,000. Maybe they paid off $400,000 on the previous mortgage and cashed out $200,000. They buy a bunch of furniture and a Porsche. Do that a few more times and they maybe supplement their income with $200,000 a year for a few years in extra cash tax free. The mortgage goes way up, but they get teaser rates and adjustable rates because they know they will refinance in a couple of years, anyway. Then the market collapses and they are upside down and can't refinance or even sell.

I don't think their financial situation was unrealistic at all.

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I had trouble with that too. If he was making 160k a year that is about 100k a year, give or take, after taxes, retirement savings, health care, etc. So 8500 a month. How can you afford a million dollar home on that? And a porsche, and $600/month in dry cleaning and eating out?

I know its a fictional movie, but it threw me for a loop.

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ya, the numbers were totally out of whack. it seemed like they had virtually no equity in the house so if they borrowed to the hilt to buy it, 0% down, $850K on a 30 year fixed at 5% is over $6000 a month and the taxes would be at least another $1500 a month.

Not even Country Wide or Bank of A would lend him $850K on a $160K a year salary (plus whatever his wofe was making).

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1. He made about $160k the year before with a base of $120K not $110k. Towards the end of the movie the job was $80K and it was 'half of what he made'.

2. The house could sell for $850k but they paid more per their conversation. Lets assume they paid $1M.


If the house is $1M and the put 20% down and got about a 5% or 5.5% 30 yr rate, they would pay about $5K/month mortgage. That's $60K a year. The basic rule of thumb is that the mortgage payment and taxes are no more than 28% of gross pay (pre-tax). The $5K/month is 37% of his gross pay so if he put down on 20%, he couldn't afford a $1M home. But at $160K income, he can afford $40k morgtage a year and that works out to $676K loan. It's not too much of a stretch if he put down $200K down for a total house purchase of at least $876K. Its living at the edge of their means which is sort of the point about their lifestyle.

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I think that was the point -- that he and his wife were over-extended beyond their means, likely on credit, and when he fell, he fell HARD. I don't know where that house was supposed to be, but greater Boston ain't cheap. The property taxes alone would have reamed them. They really had no business buying that house to begin with.

I was surprised that no one referenced going on Unemployment. It's only a portion of your paycheck (IIRC one-third or one-fourth) but for someone making that kind of base salary, it'd have been something. But I guess that was the conceit of the movie.

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I was surprised that no one referenced going on Unemployment. It's only a portion of your paycheck (IIRC one-third or one-fourth) but for someone making that kind of base salary, it'd have been something. But I guess that was the conceit of the movie.

Unemployment compensation is capped in every state as far as I know. Massachusetts, a generous state in this regard, caps the benefit at $653/week. That's $33,956/year, and it is taxable income, so you don't get to keep it all. So ... it certainly would have helped, but it wouldn't have been anywhere near enough for the family to live on, let alone maintain their luxurious lifestyle and keep up with their overwhelming debt.

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He couldn't get unemployment while he was still receiving his severance.

At the point that his severance ran out, they had already sold the house and moved, plus he probably wanted to just do something at that point after four months of constant rejection.

Also, to the OP's issue, when they talked about selling the house, they were getting $850K as the realtor's number in an already dropping market. The remark was "that's less than we've got in it!"

So figure they put down 20%, used an aggressive financing in order to afford the nice home in the nice neighborhood for their kids, in an expensive city like Boston, and probably sunk a lot of money into fixing up the house, expecting to be there long-term and be able to make the payments easily as he continued to climb the corporate pay ladder. You have to go back and put your head around how inflated home values were not only high, but appreciating at break neck speed leading up to the 2008 crash.

One plausible scenario is that the house "needed work" when they bought it. They could have paid $1,000,000 for it in 2003 easily, then sunk another $1,000,000 fixing it up. If they put in 20% and financed with an interest only home equity line, that would put their cost at $400K plus the cumulative interest payments over 5 years, assuming average interest rate during that time at 6%, they would have forked over another $480,000 ($880K total)... but the monthly payment would have been around $8,000, which, on a $160,000 salary would be a debt coverage ratio of 60%. Not unrealistic. Now a buyer comes along in 2009 and says, wait a minute this house sold for $1MM five years ago... nobody's going to pay more than $850K for it. And that also would explain how they had no cushion... with a large cash flow due to not paying on their mortgage principal, they would "feel" like they could afford luxuries like a Porsche, $10K/year country club, $50 lunches every day, etc.

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1. He made MORE than 110K plus bonuses actually. The 110k is what he was willing to go down to when he saw the Black HR lady who told him that their base salary is $65k.

2. The house absolutely looks in the $700 to $1M - not $2M, but it depends on the neighborhood. I live in the same type of neighborhood and our neighbor has the same exact house (a little bigger with a bigger yard and pool) and they paid $790K for it - property taxes are what's extremely expensive in our neighborhood.

3. It's not impossible to afford that house. You have good credit, you get a loan and you put a down payment - why wouldn't you be able to afford it? My neighbor made $95K a year and had excellent credit, put a downpayment and now is making monthly payments on the house. He's in his early 30s and his wife doesn't work and they have a young child. They also have 2 cars - one is used and completely paid off, the other is new and he uses it for work.

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Also, some people have families who kick in 5 to 10k for the down payment just to see their kids living better than they did.
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