Would you consider this a 'conservative' or 'liberal' movie

The movie is Left Wing.

It promotes a Utopian vision of he world based around Central Planning, whuch is basically a form of Communism, though they ay its distinct from it as t has no Money. (Communism also had no money, only the interim socialism would.)


Politically the Movie is basicaly Left Wing. Not sure if that renders it "Liberal" though. it seemed rather ambivoelent and had some Libertarian Elements to it, especially the part about the Federal Reserve and the Banking System.

This movie is for people who are easily persuaded. It has elements of both left and right wing conspiracy paranoia, along with some socially liberal and fiscally conservative claims.

While some of the targets of the film are worthy of attack (the fed, religion) almost everything in it is propaganda. That is to say, it's all either complete fabrication, selective sources or logical fallacies. The central fallacy being the relativistic one: while it purports to convince people to question what they are told, anyone who applies that logic to this film will almost immediately realize just how slanted this film is.

The real bias is anti-establishment.

"You are a riddle wrapped in an enigma drizzled in delicious bullsh!t."

Give it a try, without caring for the category it belongs to.

my voting history
http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=45098238

The film should have made it clear that capitalist-born *beep* such as Left wing, republican, democrat or whatever is completely useless and irrelevant. Two sides of the same coin.

Neither.

Political involvement is part of the problem and not part of the solution.

The premise of the film is simple. Anything designed by man will eventually be destroyed or made irrelevant over time.

The question being asked in the film is as a society and as part of the global economy do we want to give up a system that is designed to fail for a system that benefits the people

Now before anyone brings up the label of Communism read this.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

COMMUNISM

The fact of the matter is a small percentage of “individuals” own or control the bulk of the wealth in the world based on an issuant that has no value beyond the desire of the individual to acquire it.

Using the word 'amen' is a bit ironic, isn't it? ;-)

I agree indeed. Let's just start labeling stuff before we even have seen it. ;-)

I watched this documentary Yesterdaymorning and don't know if all nor how many facts are correct, but at least the message that we have to keep an open mind is a good one.


Part I
I'm not a believer but I also am not an atheist, who denies God, which I cannot do because I have no proof eitherway.

I think religion is an interpretation of their spirit and each kind of race has their own version of it. Some interpretation are passive and others are active (read: aggressive) and want to convince their interpretation/religion/believe is the best.

I know for sure that nature seeks balance and this is a 'fact' to me. For the rest it's possible that all the religions are based on what they see in nature and that all their interpretations are one way or another in general correct.

People who force each other their beliefs are just as bad as people who think religion is the cause of all the wars and want to force them to don't believe. I believe religion is mis-used by people to overpower others.


Part II
For me this part is harder to digest and I'm sceptical to believe anything of it. It's just to big of a complot to be correct. Although I think Bush is one of the worst presidents the US has ever had it's hard to believe his family and government would be capable of such an act.


Part III
In general I believe our monetary system is failing indeed, but because I cannot think of a better system, I believe we have to make it better and then perfect it.

I'm aware that communism, socialism and capitalism are just tools within the monetary system.

I'm European and for me it became a 'fact' the last couple of years that our global system needs perfection. Although I believe we do not shoot the messenger but it's getting time Moody’s, Fitch and Standard & Poor's give the US the same threatment as they give other countries.

By which I mean when they demote the creditworth of Greece, Portugal, Ireland and Spain without warning they should do that for the US too.

I also believe this should be globally and managed independently, because everybody who thinks logically knows American companies like Moody’s, Fitch and Standard & Poor's have a certain interest in keeping the dollar strong because lowering the US credit from AAA to D would increase the interest rates the US has to pay on loans and thus fasten the time they reach their top of their debts. Which in result will weaken the dollar...

In Zeitgeist they showed that a society is based on debts, because local banks have to pay back their loans to the central bank with interest. But from who do they get the money to pay those interest. So they need to get more money from the central bank to pay their debts but those new loans need to be paid back also with interest ofcourse.... If this is true then it's definitely a malfunction of our monetary system. No doubt about it!

PS: I believe no society can increase their debts without consequence so what happens to Greece, Portugal, Spain and Ireland are their own faults. Just as it's a matter of time the USA have to pay theirs....

"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh."
- Voltaire (1694-1778)

"Would you say the producers/directors fall in the liberal camp or the conservative camp?"

- Liberal camp, most definitely.

I am a Born-Again Christian Republican Conservative (but more in the Abraham Lincoln/Barry Goldwater/Ron Paul Libertarian tradition). I am not offended by the film or those who disagree with my faith in God, nor do I believe that I am a brainwashed robot or deceived fool. In fact, I do not hate anybody, welcome peaceful discussions and debates about the topics in Zeitgeist, and am an open minded person.

The areas of the film that I believe are more factual and are justified cause for alarm (SPOILERS! Don't read on unless you are ok with knowing some of the film's content):

1. In checking other sources, it is factual that the Rothschild family has long influenced American banking. In the early 1900's, the various banking concerns (JP Morgan, Rockefeller etc) did establish the Federal Reserve Bank (the Fed) with Woodrow Wilson and a covert operation to push it through while Congress was on recess.

2. The Fed and its Member Banks do control the American economy more than the Free Market does. It controls the money supply and uses Fractional Reserve Banking to make loans. The beneficiaries include foreign interests, possibly still the Rothchilds as well.

3. When they established the Fed, they established the IRS as well, which helps pay for the loans and interest made by the Fed to the Congress by taxation.

4. The Fractional Reserve system keeps the Government and its citizens in perpetual debt. We are literally enslaved to their system financially. A better variation of this would be to include asset-backed money like Gold and Silver in addition to the GDP as value to our money.

5. Many of our current leaders in government (regardless of party, Democrat or Republican) are globalists. The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Bilderberg Group and the Trilateral Commission are indeed conspiring with American Government and the Fed to establish a World Government. In the past 50 years this has been referred to as the New World Order and it dates as far back as Woodrow Wilson. Our $1 bill contains evidence of this fact as well: "NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM" meaning "New Order of the Ages" i.e. "New World Order".

6. At this time in American history we are facing the greatest challenge and threat to our personal Liberty than ever. They are positioning themselves to gain world domination and control with no concern for our freedom and Sovereignity.

There are more verifiable facts in the film, the above facts are easy to Google and confirm.

That said, I don't agree with everything in the film either.

Neither. If you need to ask that going into this film, you're sort of missing the point and intention of it. You can choose to disagree with points in it, or do your independent research on the information it presents, but it is supposed to be talking to people as individuals - not as members of boxed-in groups.