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Can you offer a few previous examples of films that were (for the most part) objectively good that you think critics reviewed negative for political reasons, and maybe a few bad ones that got good reviews?

I haven't seen this new Death Wish yet (I'm seeing it this afternoon), but the critics seem for the most part fair. If they are at all biased, in my opinion it's more towards films that have abstract, "artsy" elements.

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I thought the 2016 Ghostbusters was great. I watched it a second time. My feeling on that film in particular is that the all-female Ghostbuster casting riled up a lot of people who judged the film without, or before, seeing it. I gave it a fair chance, and found it to be a very well-made film, without any of the forced left-wing social messaging many expected it to have. It was simply a new take on Ghostbusters with female comedians instead of male comedians.

I can't comment on Al Gore or Michael Moore documentaries, as I haven't seen any. Politically I'm about as opposite those two as a person can be, and I think they're misguided and blind to facts. But it's very possible they make good movies. I've heard that Moore's films are funny and entertaining, even if the message is foolish.

We may just have to disagree here, but I think/hope critics approach films as I do-- ignore any political or social message and rate the film based on its cinematic merit. I'm sure some bias does creep in, but for the most part I find it fairly rare that a film gets a vastly different critical response than I think it deserves, and when that does happen I can usually understand why the film personally struck me in a way it may not someone else.

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What? Ghostbusters 2016 had the most lowbrow unfunny lowest common denominator "humour" imaginable. It is one of the most atrociously unfunny and downright offensively stupid movie only comparable to Adam Sandler films. How anyone can find this movie even watchable is beyond me. And it has nothing to do with the casting of females. It's like saying you're an anti semite if you find Adam Sandler movies stupid, or you're fatshaming if you hate idiotic Kevin Smith films.

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I thought it was pretty clever, and it kept me guessing as to where it was going, and laughing the whole time. The final fight sequence was pretty incredible, too. To each his own.

I definitely wouldn't compare it to an Adam Sandler film. His early ones were barely watchable, but I can't even get through anything he makes anymore. Kevin Smith, on the other hand, has made some all-time greats. And some turkeys.

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Guess no use in debating taste.

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No, but it might be fun to compare favorite comedies/writers/directors.

Off the top of my head...

Preston Sturges tops my list. He more or less turned out a masterpiece every time. Howard Hawks did everything well, comedy included, and His Girl Friday and Bringing Up Baby are both favorites. The Gold Diggers of 1933 is an all-time great, most of the Marx Bros. movies. Woody Allen, especially Broadway Danny Rose, Bullets Over Broadway, off the top of my head, but most of his comedies are great. W.C. Fields was a master. Early Steve Martin, especially The Jerk, both Fletch Films, the original Vacation movie, Animal House, The Blues Brothers, The Odd Couple (Lemmon and Matthau)...

Of more recent comedies, movies I can think of right now that I think are classic-level comedies include Old School, The Interview, Clerks, Dogma, Mystery Men, The Hangover, Superbad, Bad Words, Office Space, Idiocracy.

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Mine would be anything Monty Pythons, Black Sheep, Hot Fuzz, Galaxy Quest, Desperate Living, What we do in the Shadows and I also found Freddy got fingered hilarious.

Also, Naked Gun has some hilarious stuff in it, Odd Couple is quite funny,

I'm pretty much allergic to Hollywood lowbrow comedies (Sandler and James come to mind), Judd Apatow and Seth MacFarlaine movies and anything that stars Seth Rogan, haha!

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Galaxy Quest absolutely belongs on my list. Monty Python as well. The Naked Gun and Airplane are as good as slapstick gets. Other than Superbad, I can't really stand anything Apatow has done. Seth Rogan I like, usually, but not always. Will Ferrell is someone I can only take in small doses. I think he's perfect in Old School, where you get just enough of him, but he can't carry a film.

Another film that came to mind that I'd consider a modern classic is Zoolander.

We seem to have a fair amount of crossover, but the new Ghostbuster definitely doesn't fall into that zone.

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Never seen Zoolander, but I really laughed at Something about Mary.

Also, while I usually can't stand Jim Carreys zaniness, I really like the first Ace Ventura.

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Something About Mary was fun at the time. Wonder how it holds up. I'm of the same opinion on Carrey, but Dumb and Dumber was the movie of his I enjoyed. I saw it in a crowded theater full of laughing people, so I wonder how much was him/the movie and how much just the infectious mood of mirth.

I'm going to check out Desperate Living. That's one I don't know, but I've liked the John Waters movies I've seen.

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I remember laughing my butt of at Something about Mary, but then again I was high, LOL.

Desperate Living is in my opinion Waters' most consistently funny movie. Though nothing tops the egg scenes from Pink Flamingos.

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i got a hidden gem for you. "frequently asked questions about time travel". nobody knows that film and it is hillarious.

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Will check out, dude, gracias.

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you are welcome. i am always on the hunt, when it comes to those things. if you are also into horror i would have some series and movies in my arsenal that would blow you away.

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Like what (movies only, plz, not into serials)?

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movies
13 - beloved (thai). absolutely insane.
the poughkeeepsie tapes
cry_wolf
triangle. you need to watch this. need!!!!
time crimes
student bodies. THE original "scary movie" horror comedy
slither
behind the mask
radius

even if you HATE tv series, i assure you, this will be worth your time:
the booth at the end
chosen aka CH/OS/EN (a "crackle" original series)

some of these might be debatable, but with some others, you will not be able to grasp how you have never heard of them.



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Ha, thanks man. The only one I know is time crimes, which is awesome, though I wouldn't call it a horror movie. Also, I've heard about the poughkeepsie tapes and that it's supposed to be absolutely horrible, haha.

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you are welcome. yeeah, the poughkeepsie tapes might be debatable, but me and a friend were absolutely devastated by this film. not the visual graphics though, the ideas behind it.

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There's 100's upon 100's of films bashed or favored based on politics, the perception of the quality as a whole is then skewed subconsciously, We all like what we like because of the subject matter somehow, which can also be political then, if critics can not relate to it, most things around it become irrelevant because they are reflections of that very subject matter, acting, editing, visuals, etc. The whole vision of the film becomes non-relatable to those who can not connect with the core of the film itself. We all are biased, no one can be fully objective, we all have subjective experiences or views. A propaganda movie like Schindler's List runs people's emotions because of politics, a certain agenda, the perception of the quality of the whole film is influenced by then, in many cases unconsciously it seems, when I hear an argument that politics should be ignored, which can be a self denial, if the politics becomes a worldview of a filmmaker itself, the entire film is based on it. A film like Million Dolar Baby would not work without that worldview some people share with the filmmaker. However it is possible to relate to anything by employing a more holistic perception though, but irony is that anytime any film that gets bashed almost universally automatically does not mean the film is bad, it means the wrong kind of people are watching it and reviewing it, it was never meant for them. When it happens to be critics, while seeing that regular people having the opposite appreciation in almost the same kind of numbers, it means that certain profession here is unabalanced, lacking greater amount of diversity of people working there, what remains is an agenda, the kind of people who stand only on one side, which creates a huge disconnection from the reality and all people. That is what people are seeing also in politics, media, showbiz, all these organizations seem to have been employing the same kind of people, the same ideology, thus then creating a greater division, and people are waking up to it.

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critics reviewed negative for political reasons,

" passengers "........ brainddead sjw critics cried rape

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Are there multi racial gangs this time? An aspect of the original that bothered me.

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I'm a die-hard Trump supporter and gun owner. The movie is crap. Lots of unconvincing performances. Everyone involved seemed to be going through the motions.

I didn't think it was politically incorrect either. Most of the bad guys were white even though violent crime in Chicago is overwhelmingly perpetrated by blacks. They clearly didn't want to offend anyone, which is pretty much the definition of PC.

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Don't prejudge the trailers... let's see what the movie is actualky like... the trailers are cut and edited for marketing purposes, not to represent the movie...

I'll watch the movie latee this week to see what ir's like... Eli Roth is usually fun at the very least...

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"Eli Roth is usually fun at the very least..."

if you count out "knock knock" that is true.

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Really?! I found it hillarious and pretty crazy....

I watched Knock Knock with a few friends, was a very lively conversation at dinner afterwards...

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I've only been to Chicago once. Took the Blue Line train from O'Hare to a downtown hotel (Hilton Palmer House) for a conference I was attending. My impression of Chicago was that it is a big dirty city. Huge amounts of graffiti and derilict housing. If anything the movie seemed generous in its portrayal, at least as far as the inner city goes.

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Check out the split between critics and audience on RottenTomatoes:

Critics 15% liked it. Audience 85% liked it.

Another great example of how critics have a political bias. Some more recent examples: Ghostbusters '16, Mad Max Fury Road, The Last Jedi, Get Out, Shape of Water, Lady Bird, Black Panther....

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The movie is terrible, and the critics are right. Have you ever stopped to think that it's the people gaming the system and manipulating the Rotten Tomatoes score that is in part to blame for the disparity? Have you also considered that with each passing day society is getting dumber and less educated? The job of a critic should not be to parrot the lowbrow taste of the dumbest members of society.

And I have to ask-- Mad Max Fury Road is probably the best action film, and one of the best films period, of the past decade. Critics were 97% favorable on it, and the audience score is a solid 85%. I'm going to guess that YOU dislike the film, but how does it support your opinion that critics and audiences are split for some political reason? What was even political about that movie?

As to the other films you listed, only the Ghostbusters remake and The Last Jedi have any significant split between critic and fan, so it's almost as if you've disproved your own claim.

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