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Was this Whedon's best?


I say yes!!!

What do you think?

I love Buffy. It truly does represent TV at it's best. However, over the course of the series many episodes and whole seasons really weren't that great in retrospect. I still think The Body is the single greatest episode of TV I have seen ever. Conceptually, Buffy was pretty basic. It shined due to excellent character development and had the benefit of 7 seasons to grow. Dollhouse was much more original conceptually, and covered so much more ground in a much shorter time frame with the same great writing and character development.

Angel was good. I just never could completely get into the series. It had a couple great seasons and a couple poor seasons IMHO. It just seemed all over the place to me conceptually. Again, there was the same great writing and characters, but a lot of the time the execution fell flat. So again, I would say Dollhouse managed to cover much more ground in less time and had a drastically more complete story. Where did Angel really leave us?

Firefly could have and should have been Whedon's masterpiece. Most of us know the story of why it's not. The groundwork was there for this to be the best action scifi show ever. it simply didn't last long enough to get there. So again, Dollhouse represents a much more complete story with equally great writing.

I haven't seen any of the Avengers, Agents of Shield stuff so can't compare it.

To me Dollhouse represents the pinnacle of what TV can be. It had a bold and original concept with great writing and character development and a fully realized story. I realize it had it's share of flaws, but I think as a complete package, it represented the best of what Whedon has done.

What do you think?

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Good question. So many responses I have not been able to read all of them, so I may be repetitive in saying no. Dollhouse is great fun and wonderful but nothing will ever compare with Firefly.

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As a show in how well it is constructed, the stories, etc. I'd say it is the most well done. It is the most professional of them all I think overall. The rest are all campy so it is kind of hard to compare them to this show. Many people will LIKE the other shows better, but I would say that Dollhouse is the most well made.

I also agree with you about how amazing 'the Body' was. I doubt I'd declare the best episode of any show ever as I've seen many shows that outshine anything Whedon has done, but it was an incredibly well made episode. That episode was by far his most perfect episode, however I agree on that. Buffy on the other hand is my least favorite show of his. For one I'm neither a teenager, nor a girl. So the teenage angst, and mediocrity of so much of it, especially the last few seasons, make it the least entertaining for me.

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For me, the concept of Dollhouse is the best. I like that they did a wrap up but it left me wanting so much more, particularly about Boyd's backstory and more about the Epitaph world.

I love Buffy for the dialogue and wit and for its use of vampires and monsters to tell so much about real life situations.

Firefly... Great cast, great concept... But so short.

I loved Cabin in the Woods. I would be very interested in some type of series based on that concept.

Basically I have not been let down by Joss Whedon yet. I even love The Avengers. For its genre, I thought it was top-notch. The dialogue with every character was so well done. I know people love Iron Man, but for me, The Avengers showed a superhero blockbuster could actually balance action and character development. The quips between Iron Man and Thor continue to make me laugh whenever I watch that movie.

At this point, I say let Joss Whedon make whatever he wants without fear of cancellation!

(Sorry if this went on too long, I find both Joss and Dollhouse fascinating).

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Whedon fans always talk about Buffy and Firefly. I'm always surprised so many of them have never given Dollhouse a chance. It's an excellent show and unlike Firefly it got to end with dignity and without a half-assed movie.

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As a fan of both Dollhouse and Firefly, the movie was not half-assed. Don't see how.

Can't stop the signal.

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I loved Cabin in the Woods. I would be very interested in some type of series based on that concept.

Cabin in the Woods only works as a social commentary on horror movie audiences, so it wouldn't really make any sense to protract the insult out into a series.

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I didn't start watching Dollhouse because it was by Joss Whedon... I just didn't have anything to watch in this lull before summer shows.

But I'm sure glad I did because it is amazing!!! I always heard people raving about Firefly, Dollhouse and some others so I gave it a try. It is now my 3rd favorite show ever. The concept, the dialogue are just so compelling, thought-provoking, and sometimes heartbreaking. It kind of hit me in the gut and that to me is about as close as you can get to the "pinnacle" of perfection in TV.



(I've seen Agents of Shield and it does not compare. If Joss did write some episodes, I might have noticed that the dialogue was more intriguing but it is hard to do something spectacular when the base (previous episodes) you're building on is mediocre.)

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I don't think best but his use of human beings using their own ingenuity to kill their world, and the idea that he came up with. Using mind transplants that destroy the world was such a long view of how an idea can be blown up into something destructive. Kind of makes me look at the Takeshi kovacs books again and wonder why something like this didn't happen.

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If this was his best, he's in trouble.

The show's premise was interesting, and the show had its good moments, but overall it failed completely in my eyes. Most episodes are snooze fests, and the interesting characters and storylines are rushed and neglected, so no, this was far from Whedon's best.

Just saw both seasons on a row this week and i have to say the show didn't work for me.

Shame, if they had focused, or at least hinted on the apocalyptic setting from the get go, skipping the episodic 'imprints' that plagued most of the first season, i'd have love it. As much as i liked Eliza Dushku on lingerie, or flirting around, it didn't help progress the show.

I wanted more Whiskey, Alpha, Apocalypse... not Victor+Sierra love interest or Summer Glau's horrible character, that was laughable really.

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not Victor+Sierra love interest or Summer Glau's horrible character, that was laughable really.


Two of the series most popular aspects.

We loved Victor and Sierra. Theirs was a story arc that continued throughout multiple episodes, even when they were reset.

And Bennett was a nice change for Summer Glau playing just a "good guy."

Shame, if they had focused, or at least hinted on the apocalyptic setting from the get go,


They did. Many times they talked about how dangerous the technology is.

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Dollhouse is one of my favorite Joss Whedon projects besides Firefly, Serenity, and The Avengers.

If it's all the same to you, I'll have that drink now.-Loki (Marvel's Avengers)

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