Because then most of it wouldn't suck nowadays!
If more kids could see the obvious flaws in recent Disney movies and TV shows, they wouldn't be so damn successful, and Disney would want to put more effort into them to attract more viewers. Sadly, it's not about effort anymore, it's all about making money and keeping the uncritical fan bases.
100% agree. People on this board are all like, "Well, it's a kids movie! What do you expect? From an 8-year-old's standards, it was great!"
What about kids movies that actually ARE great? Like Wall-E.. Toy Story.. THOSE are good kids movies and that's the standard they should be held to, instead of this garbage - and yes, I did see it. Just because they are kids doesnt mean crappier movies can be made for them. It just goes to show that Disney doesnt give a flying *beep* about you or your kids, it just wants your money and doesnt care if you are entertained.
Wall-E and Toy Story are not made by Disney, but supported by them. They are made by Pixar.
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Well, that explains it then, huh?
shareDisney bought pixar. By the way, maybe disney can produce a few very bad films and tv shows, like HSM, but they always promote very nice values and principles which is good, and they also do great films, like all of the pixar films, and their animated classics are amazing as well. Enchanted was also great, and many other films. I haven't seen hannah montana but I have heard a few “better than expected" comments, so I don't know if I wanna see it or not.
Yeah, but the problem is that they're so used to mediocrity that they think it's great.
shareI think it's all part of the plan - slowly make the TV shows and movies worse and worse so that the kids can adjust, and less effort has to be put out to produce the entertainment.
I'm so glad this twisted way of thinking hasn't reached Pixar yet, and most likely never will.
if ya dont like disney dont watch it, simple as that!!!! stop bitchin about it and grow up saddos!!!!!
shareGod, I'm really getting tired of those pathetic "you're just an hater" replies... If you can't say something intelligent, shut up.
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I hear you! I've had it up to here with the 'be quiet, you're just a hater' responses. You are right, there's absolutely nothing intelligent about those replies.
"I only hear you too, Sidney."
I wish everyone in general were more critical and objective of all the entertainment and media out there. I'm sick of seeing the mediocrity continuously dumb adults and children down.
"I only hear you too, Sidney."
If you liked this movie, then you, my friend, are the one who needs to grow up.
I'm excited... http://www.imdb.com/media/rm566462464/tt1119646
think it's all part of the plan - slowly make the TV shows and movies worse and worse so that the kids can adjust, and less effort has to be put out to produce the entertainment.
you are correct. And it's not only kids shows.
I do miss older Disney movies and TV shows. I used to love them as a kid. However, recent productions (like this garbage) doesn't deserve the praise. I still love watching those older movies like Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, Sword in the Stone, etc.
I guess Disney is starting them out young. Feed kids garbage productions and they won't know quality by the time they're in the 18-25 (big spenders) demographic.
It's no different than the music industry. Entertainment as a whole is getting progressively less intelligent.
shareI think everybody has a different taste and kids movies are to be fun and this movie definitely is fun. It's a comedy for children and you can't expect a deep story or any "adult funnines" :P I zhink kids like it because it actually is great. And kids are to decide if they like it or not, at least I think kids are the main audience of Disney's. Miley Cyrus is awesome, they are making a lot of money, kids love it ..... I think everything is great except some people trying to prove me wrong.
I guess some never get it.
Yeah, some never get it. They don't get that kids like what's on Disney only because they got so used to mediocrity that they think it's good. They don't get that Miley Cyrus makes cheap, uninspiring and unoriginal music with cliched lyrics. They don't get that if they'd start listening to really talented musicians instead of listening to the radio only, they'd forget about this crap.
shareYeah, some never get it. They don't get that kids like what's on Disney only because they got so used to mediocrity that they think it's good. They don't get that Miley Cyrus makes cheap, uninspiring and unoriginal music with cliched lyrics. They don't get that if they'd start listening to really talented musicians instead of listening to the radio only, they'd forget about this crap.
The poblem is 11 year old girls will buy up anything the meida says is "cool" till their like 19 . Everything on Disney or Nick is aimed at this demo... Maybe gay boys...
sharePlease don't say that you think Miley's "The Climb" is a good song, please don't say it.
I actually enjoyed the show and the concert movie a lot, but not the actual movie. It was dissapointing and lacked the spunk and the humor from the tv show. I actually like Miley's songs as Hannah Montana and some of Miley's own songs, but lately her songs have gone downhill (with the exception of the lovely "When I Look At You")
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Ditto, ditto, ditto.
I've been watching Disney movies for over 50 years and they have not measurably deteriorated in quality; they are directed to children and families. I just will never understand why the Miley and Disney detractors care so much. After all it's just a movie.
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Disney is continuing to feed kids a skewered perception of reality. Did you even see the movie. When that little girl at the concert said "we'll keep your secret," I cringed. It was the most uncreative and clicheed movie i've seen in a long time. I mean look at the shows on Disney (Sonny w/ A Chance, Wizards of Waverly Place, Suite Life on Deck, Hannah Montana) its all crap. Suite Life of Zac and Cody USED to be alright, but they replaced it w/ that horrible spinoff.
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Agreed, most shows and music suck these days.
Then why are all the old disney movies and practically all the Pixar movies entertaining for everyone? Kids and adults aren't a different species, adults know what a good movie is regardless of what age it was made for.
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"I think that's what coralls (spelling?) that group to the message board, because they can't stand to have other people's success rubbed in their faces."
Nah, I think it's mostly because the music industry gets worse every year. It's not about talent anymore. Not so talented people like Miley Cyrus who makes cheap, uninspiring and unoriginal music gets extremely famous while extremely talented musicians who makes inspiring and original music don't. It's as if the music industry was ecouraging mediocrity, it's as if they wanted to lower the standards.
What kind of music and artisits do you consider "inspiring and original". I'm not claiming Miley Cyrus is either of those things, just curious.
shareI think the main problem is that Disney is still a safe bet. I took my neices to see HM, and having seen a few episodes of the TV show, I knew that this was not going to be a movie for my enjoyment. My nieces, however, aged 10 and 13, enjoyed it very much, and I was able to relax because I knew that there would not be any inappropriate references, language or things that would need to be explained later. Even a lot of enjoyable animated films (Shrek, Madigascar etc) have adult humor stitched in - and you just hope that the visuals keep the kids distracted so that they won't notice and start asking questions.
On the same weekend I took my nieces to see 17 Again (they love HS Musical and I should have done more research) My 10 year old niece kept asking "Why was that funny?" and it was usually a sex related joke. I suppose we should have seen the other Disney movie "Earth" but they really wanted to see Zac.
I did not enjoy Hannah Montana - but I won't slam it, because my nieces did like it. When I was a little girl, my Disney movies were "The Parent Trap"(the original), "That Darn Cat" (The original) "The Shaggy D.A." (Hmm they have remade all these movies) I rewatch them and they do hold up well...(especially if Hayley Mills was in them). Oh yeah, I almost forgot "Mary Poppins" - Yeah I guess the movies were a lot better...But the originals ARE still available. Maybe we just need to show the kids the originals, and perhaps that will help them develop good taste, and resist the marketing genius that Disney has become.
yeah i loved disney as a kid when it was just lilo and stitch, lion king, fox and the hound stuff. camp rock and hannah montana is crap tv in my opinion. but you really cant expect little kids to be critical of it cause they enjoy it too much.
The circus and the crew, well they're just passing through making sure the merry still goes round
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I've got a 9 year old sister who absolutely loved HM when it first came out...when she was seven.
At first she didn't care that the show sucked (I thought it did) most little kids won't care about writing or acting, as long as it keeps their minds occupied and there's SOMETHING to laugh at. Now that my sister's older she criticizes the acting and how "fake" it is.
Just goes to show you how cruel television can be sometimes...
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No wonder, with parents like Kaisermom2000 who go through life fearing their children will "start asking questions."
They're being kept stupid, simply because it's easier to pop in a video than to actually spend time talking with your kids.
Netgrazer: there's a time and a place for questions. A 10 year old should not be exposed to sexual innuendo and if you think differently, then you are probable a perv who will one day be seen on Dateline trying to date a child. One of the saddest things for kids today is that they are being forced to mature to soon by the sexually charged media. I discuss all questions my kids ask and make sure that they have the correct information. They are far from stupid...I just wish they were allowed to be innocent for a little longer.
shareA 10 year old should not be exposed to sexual innuendo and if you think differently, then you are probable a perv who will one day be seen on Dateline trying to date a child.
One of the saddest things for kids today is that they are being forced to mature to soon by the sexually charged media.
I discuss all questions my kids ask and make sure that they have the correct information. They are far from stupid...
I just wish they were allowed to be innocent for a little longer.
Old Yeller didn't die of old age...... he was SHOT !!!!!!!
I too am sick of "its a kids movie"
Hey Bambi's mom was shot tooo
"and you just hope that the visuals keep the kids distracted so that they won't notice and start asking questions."
Are you *beep* SERIOUS? That's the EXACT attitude causing this phenomenon of horribly dumbed down movies.
Why not ask questions? Kids grow not only physically, but mentally as well. If schools are ass tight on sexuality, and you are too, your kids will learn it from their friends. Friends will give them a completely wrong view of sex, it being a game and seeing sex to be like a porno. Let your kids ask questions, let them learn about life. Its not like you have to explain how to have sex. "I don't want them asking any questions" sickens me so bad you don't even get it.
You know what, you remind me of somebody my film school Prof. told me of. When watching Watchmen, next to him was a mother and son. During the scene where Night Owl II and Silk Spectre II are beating down the muggers, and litterally ripping their bones from their arms in vivid gory detail, the mother watched along with her child. The minute NH and SS starting kissing, she immediately lunged toward him, covering his eyes.
That my friends is partially why Disney is dumbing down their content. So they dont get some hard assed christian women on their ass about everything, because she doesnt want her daughters knowing anything but how to sing about the best of both worlds (but not the third world). By making it so damn dumb that the kids dont ask parents any questions, lets some parents comfortably let/make their kids watch and like disney, and Disney's their way of making dough.
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> You know what, you remind me of somebody my film school Prof. told me of. When watching Watchmen, next to him was a mother and son. During the scene where Night Owl II and Silk Spectre II are beating down the muggers, and litterally ripping their bones from their arms in vivid gory detail, the mother watched along with her child. The minute NH and SS starting kissing, she immediately lunged toward him, covering his eyes. <
I'm surprised a woman took her kid into see Watchman when it's rated R and even some of the critics say that it's hard for a non-fan of the comic to take in the story.
> That my friends is partially why Disney is dumbing down their content. So they dont get some hard assed christian women on their ass about everything, because she doesnt want her daughters knowing anything but how to sing about the best of both worlds (but not the third world). By making it so damn dumb that the kids dont ask parents any questions, lets some parents comfortably let/make their kids watch and like disney, and Disney's their way of making dough. <
Actually, I remember a Christian site taking apart A Cinderella Story and it's rated G. Besides, isn't there that chance that even a PG or G movie could use the Lord's name in vain? (It is one of the 10 Commandments.) And Disney's movie Earth could still have education without being corporate America, no? Unless there were talking animals and stuff animal versions being sold. Although, I don't like if Disney just backed them, just like with Pixar (but Disney doesn't control Pixar, at least from how I see it and understand, since The Incredibles is pretty dark at points for even my taste).
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Also, I don't watch the Family Channel much, but I remember a year ago, there was this TV movie Tru Confession http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0296251/ that I ended up watching. It tackles a child with autism in the family, which I found surprising when I watched it since I don't think I knew what the movie was about when I sat down for it. There are people that say the Disney Channel has changed too, and instead of showing TV movies like this, it's Hannah Montana and such.
I guess it shows that people have to search for the good stuff like this. It probably won't end up thing in the theatres.
The Hayley Mills version of the parent trap was hardly the original. Just read the wiki page for Lottie & Lisa, the book it was based on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lottie_and_Lisa
http://www.youtube.com/user/sweetiecandykim
I wish more people (mainly kids) were more critical of Disney
Well said. In recent years they've gone from really interesting and a variety of different genre shows such as "So Weird", "The Famous Jett Jackson", and "Even Stevens" to degenerative garbage like "Suite Life" and the recent "Sonny With a Chance". The older shows and films Disney and also Nickelodeon used to actually speak to the audiance on a level of being funny, and relative to what families and individual people go through, but now its just mindless sitcoms where parents and most adult figures of authority are complete morons and kids run things. The newer shows seem to cater to the lowest common denominator with no real value at all on whats being presented. Its all prepackaged and sent out. Notice how all the sitcoms between Nickelodeon and Disney nowadays seem to pretty much have the SAME EXACT format? Its always two or three friends, ones a goofy guy while the other two are girls; parents and authority figures(again) are either morons or non-exsistant (the hell does that teach the kids?), all the plots revolve around the central characters getting in some sort of jam and how they either get out of it or LIE to cover up the situation. I have alot more to say on the subject but I'll cut it short here, but I wholeheartedly agree that kids these days should be more demanding of their entertainment than just fed mediocre crap on a silver platter and told its a gourmet.
"A commitment to cinema means to lead a technically deviant lifestyle."
If you people would honestly look at the music that they have and the shows on other tv channels, they are inappropriate for children. Being a mother of three myself i would much rather watch this "crappy stuff" as you call it just to not terrify my children. There is too much blood, cursing, and other things that children should not hear or see out. And all you guys are worried about is how crappy the movie is. I went to see it and i took all three of my kids which includes an 18 month old and they all enjoyed it and so did i. You people really need to think of what else is out there that is crappy. I dont let my kids watch sponge-bob squarepants anymore because it has got things in it that arent appropriate for them. if you guys watched the tv with your kids like you should you people would know whats out there to actually watch. I aint saying this for everyone but look at things from a childs perspective and you will see things differently.
share^Your kids deserve something that encourages them to be individuals and make something of themselves, maybe inspire them to, I dunno THINK from time to time. No one is asking kids to watch things that are violent and abrasive...did you even read the ENTIRE messsage(reading comprehension much?!)? I just think kids deserve better than this garbage as well is that Spongebob crap. What people here are asking is that kids should be more demanding of what they're being entertained with. Not dumbed down or exploited just to make a fast dollar which is what Disney and Nickelodeon have been in the business for the last decade or so.
"A commitment to cinema means to lead a technically deviant lifestyle."
Exactly, the shows in the 90s/early 2000s were so much...MORE! They were creative, entertaining, kid friendly, and well written. (So Weird, The Famous Jett Jackson, Even Stevens). And the shows nowadays have such a fake and dumbed down sense about them. Whenever I babysit, i bring dvds i can stand to watch, that the kids LOVE (Wall-E, Shrek, Toy Story, Finding Nemo, Lion King, Pocahontas) All of the movies i just listed are solid films that are entertaining, and are able to teach kids some serious life lessons. For example, the lion king-- Simba's father dies; the death of a parent is an issue that many children face, and the lion king actually addresses it well.
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You don't even let them watch... spongebob?
Please, please please let your hand go of them, its going to ruin their lifes, trust me. I grew up my whole life asking questions and learning more about things. Guess what? I did.. If you want your kids to be happy, let them be free, help them cope with life, and love. It'll make them a much better person.
I let them watch a lot of things and i know how stupid shows are i mean look at my name is earl or the office. If you want to have shows that entertain look at the classics then. Like Shirley Temple and Little House on the Prairie or Andy Griffith. I know what is out and i also know that channels like cartoon network dont show quality shows anymore. yes there are stupid shows and yes they need to fix it but dont bash just one show because it seems bad. There is more in life than just bashing shows on the computer. Which i am not here to do. Just look at the options they have. Not much anymore. And if you choose to let your children what other things then that is your business. And to you juuyo, when you deal with a screaming 2 year old at 1 im the morning because they had seen something they shouldnt have then you tend to change what they watch. my children are free and happy.
shareJuuyo, if I were you I'd be a little more suspicious. That story your professor told you sounds exactly like the kind of cr@p some college professor would make up in order to get a bunch of teenagers to think he's cool.
sharelol good point! xD
He's in no way like a prof tbh, he acts more like a student. That's why I love my film class. Back to topic.
Mom of three, I feel bad that you have your kids crying about watching bad things on TV, I do, but you can't throw out all semi inappropriate things. Don't let them watch horror and gore, nobody should watch that anyway, adult or child. Violence is much more serious then sexual references. ( A thing people seem to forget today ). Starting your kids on Hannah Montana isn't a good foot. If you have boys let them watch Ed Edd and Eddy, Invader Zim, and all other types of funny cartoons. Cartoons won't hurt anybody. Kids that start out watching crappy, illogical shows become crappy illogical people. IE why Twilight won 90% of MTV awards even though it is a horrible movie.
Choose, Smart, open kids who know the world's goods and bads, or stupid dumbed down kids who only know the good side of the world until the bad side shows itself and they have no idea how to face it.
"He's in no way like a prof tbh, he acts more like a student."
Exactly...
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