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Never read the books or any past films on Ripley but.............


The film was beautiful aesthetically speaking.. But so many flaws.. For the Dectective to have met Dickie (tom) first, then to not recognize him as the same person when all Tom did was put on longer hair and a beard was laughable.. Also with the Greenleafs as a prominent and wealthy family, not one photo was put in the newspapers ever of Dickie??? (there were tons of newspapers in this film btw) To only see the real Dickie in Marges book was just so weak.
Just the way Tom met Dickie and proceeded to infiltrate his home was unrealistic.. Once Dickie found him dressed up in his clothing he still allowed him to stay.
Look it was a pretty film, black and white for affect but it wasnt convincing and it was way too long.

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Well, I agree that it's beautiful.

I thought they did a good job of showing Tom looking different enough that Inspector Ravini would have believed Tom was different. Between the hair, the beard, the light, and the fact that Tom only ever gets close to Ravini once to shake his hand - yeah, I'll buy it. Andrew Scott also did a more "open" performance as Tom-with-Ravini. He seems friendly and a bit dumb, which would help the ruse.

As for the lack of photographs, I didn't mind with the newspapers. After all, I suspect that word had not yet reached Dickie's parents; nobody would have supplied any photos of Dickie to the journalists. The only time that I had to suspend my disbelief a bit was with Marge's article in the magazines. Of course, the investigation had been going on long enough that maybe Ravini never read them, but the idea that they only printed the from-behind shot of Dickie was a bit far-fetched. Then again, maybe Marge was saving all of her good shots for her own books. We see her being a bit of a bounder herself at the party, so it's possible she deliberately kept Dickie "mysterious" so when she published My Atrani and whatever "Dickie and Me" memoir she wrote, she'd have the best photos.

As to Tom's infiltration, Dickie was too trusting (we see this with the woman and the taxi) when it comes to his money and largess.

The clothes... I do wonder if Tom wasn't imagining/making up all of Dickie's attraction towards him. Dickie was strangely detached from Marge in many ways - they didn't sleep in the same house, for instance - and it's possible Dickie was actually closeted, maybe even from himself, and he kept Tom around on that basis.

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You have some very valid points and you wrote with precision and clarity which I always appreciate. In the opening scene introduced to us viewers, Dickie and Marge were laying on the beach..Her head in his lap, very relaxed, letting the day roll on...thats when Tom deliberately stumbled upon them. From that scene I thought Marge and Dickie were bonded by the same lifestyle, both in their creative arts.. But you are right..He was detached from her as the film progressed. She loved him more than he loved her which was clear. Speaking for myself, I did not like his demise. He was a captivating character from the start and leaving us with the remainder of the film prominently with Ripley was tedious at best. The beauty of the film made up for it though.

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Thank you for the compliment.

Yeah, Marge and Dickie shared some things, but they didn't bear a lot of hallmarks of being "in love". Heck, later on, Marge is lounging against Tom in a gondola in Venice; that could be seen as romantic, too. It certainly wasn't for Tom.

I also feel like Dickie is a bit of a detached person, looking for life. We learn he was writing, then he goes to painting. One of my favourite ongoing motifs in the series is regarding painting, and Dickie's paintings give us a lot of insight. He doesn't appear to be dedicated to it. He's got that flaneur vibe. When people look at his work, they react with a, "Oh, that sucks," face, and they don't know how to tell him. Tom flatters him. Later, when Tom is masquerading as Dickie, Tom gets a compliment from somebody (Freddie, I think) that Dickie's style has improved. Of course, this is ironic, because it's actually Tom just having a better eye than the dispassionate Dickie.

Could also be that Dickie just wanted excitement in his life. He was bored, looking for something to occupy himself, and Tom - though odd - was more interesting than anything else he had encountered.

There are a few interpretations - maybe multiple are true - but I think that will give this series the depth it needs for a rewatch.

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Try seeing the other Ripley films and it will come full circle. First, see Purple Noon 1960 and many consider to be the best. This was the closest to the time period of the original work which was the ‘50s. Alain Delon as Ripley - it has a completely different take on Ripley’s motive in that he just wants to be Dickie and that includes being with Marge. The ending is completely different however much to the dismay of author Patricia Highsmith. Then watch Minghella’s version of the story where Matt Damon is completely the opposite of the Tom in Purple Noon. He wants to be Dickie in a different way - this one is more homoerotic. And then the brilliant forensic one by Steven Zaillian - where Ripley is the most maniacal of the three and the least likable. Dickie was more unsure of himself and really kind of lost. Dickie as played by Maurice Ronet in Purple Noon and Jude Law in 1994 movie are both alpha males who strut around and are abusive to Tom and Marge. In the third Ripley, Dickie was easy to manipulate. Photos were never in any of 3 movies or the book. Ripley gets away with everything. And there are more books after the original. He gets married in the one John Malkovich is in. He does get more paranoid but he’s always living the high life. I think with the flaws you mention - it’s best to sit back and watch him work. I knew going into it that he’s never caught so it was just amazing how he slides into various characters and is always at the right place and his story is believable all the while he just misses being found out. You get to watch a true psychopath work his magic.

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Sounds like I should track down Purple Noon and/or the original books. I read a quote from Graham Greene where he complemented Patricia Highsmith's writing, and being a very big fan of Greene's works, that alone has me interested to read her stuff.

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Alain Delon recently passed away so there are a million retrospectives going around celebrating his legacy. I just saw Purple Noon, Le Cercle Rouge, Le Samourai and La Piscine at a theater in the last few weeks - not at the same time of course. You can also see Purple Noon on Criterion channel, Kanopy (works with library card), or Prime Video. Scorsese was behind having this movie restored in early 90s. It’s also one of Akira Kurosawa’s favorite movies. The original title in French is Plein Soleil which means full sun and it is in this full sun that Tom kills Dickie after Dickie sets him adrift in a dinghy. Dickie was kind of cruel. You should probably know that this movie is in French. Highsmith also wrote Strangers on a Train - the great Hitchcock movie. She delights in the pathological. Graham Greene is one of my favorites as well. This Gun for Hire, The Quiet American w/Caine, Brighton Rock, The Third Man - so many more. The Fallen Idol just remembered. Great.

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I just watched Le Samourai for the first time last summer. Fantastic movie. The French really know their way around a film noir.

I keep thinking about getting Criterion channel, but my entertainment services/subscription budget is pretty much maxed out right now. They add up *fast*. I'll look into Kanopy, being a big fan of libraries...

Kurosawa is another solid recommender; that guy was one of the best filmmakers ever. I've seen several of his films, all of them stellar. He has to have one of the best track records of any filmmaker. Maybe I just haven't watched his "clunker" films yet. Could they exist? I doubt it.

Forewarned is forearmed. I would need subtitles. Je ne parle pas Francais.

Strangers on a Train is also great (Hitchcock is another always-great director).

My favourite Graham Greene novel (so far) is The Power and the Glory. I also really love Our Man in Havana. The Third Man is great as a novella or film. I'm in the middle of reading The End of the Affair, which is fantastic.

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That’s because of Jean-Pierre Melville. Le Samourai. I discovered this unbelievable French director of French crime and more many years ago. Army of Shadows about the French resistance is one of his best. Alain Delon and Belmondo and Lino Ventura are some of the actors he used. Everything has to be in subtitles for me. But - I did see Seven Samourai for the first time a couple of months ago because it was recently restored. I don’t think I have been captivated so much - I saw it twice at different theaters. I did see Throne of Blood last week and I didn’t like it as much but if anyone needed a primer for Macbeth - this is the movie to see. Kanopy I just discovered and I have two libraries I can use - 30 credits refreshed on the first of every month - each movie is 2 credits. You can get some TV shows - even international. They have quite a selection I was surprised. I cut out Hulu and most of the streaming channels too. I have not read Greene just his movies that were adapted. Carol Reed is a good director for his movies. I recently saw The Third Man, and I’ve seen this many times, but somehow I didn’t feel the same about it. I did see M by Fritz Lang and that one was amazing. I belong to this theater that showed Scarface which I decided not to see because I have seen it so many times. But then looking at the event I noticed the Q&A was with Al Pacino in person as it was part of Beyond Fest. So, this place has a lot of movies I have never heard of new and old. I thought after Covid that it went all downhill, but this place is just vibrant. And it’s a full house. People standing in line. Lots of clapping and standing ovations. I somehow walked into cinema heaven.

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Seven Samurai is, my opinion, one of the best movies of all time. Like "top 3" good. I do also really like Throne of Blood, and it is a good take on Macbeth. If you can find the version of Macbeth with Judy Dench and Ian McKellen, though, that's a phenomenal one; it has stellar acting in it - not just from the two leads, either.

That sounds like a fantastic movie theatre, if they're showing all these old films and doing Q&As with Al Pacino. I've got a couple of arthouse cinemas near me, but I don't think anybody of Al's calibre has ever been in the building. Cinema Heaven, indeed.

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I felt the same way when I saw Seven Samurai. And I can’t believe I waited so long. M was good too.

This theater is recognized throughout the world bc it’s in Los Angeles. There’s also such an avid following. The audience is generous, boisterous and intelligent. The speakers can’t get over it. I missed Q&A with Michael Mann last year. But I’m going to pay more attention. I also don’t know anything about newer movies. I missed seeing The Brutalist by Brady Corbett a couple of days ago. I did see Shane Black. James Woods (The Onion Field). Walter Hill. I liked Alan Rudolph. The Substance played here to an exuberant audience. Also saw Melvin Dines Out 2002. Both were fantastic.

I will look for Dench in Macbeth version. I didn’t like the recent Macbeth with Denzel.

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To Ace Spade's points, I'll add that Ravini was likely tired after a long train ride, and what may have been many days of long hours working on the case. The odds of Ravini not recognizing Ripley were very small, but Highsmith wrote it that way intentionally. Whatever Ripley's talents were, ultimately it was sheer luck that saved him from prison. The book makes it much clearer because it gives us access to Ripley's inner thoughts: "He considered that he had been lucky beyond reason in escaping detection."

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"Highsmith wrote it that way"

As I recall, in the novel the conversation takes place over the phone. In that case the deception makes sense. but doesn't look cool in a series/movie, so...

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That does illustrate how unreliable memory can be. While the scene in the book is different from the series, the inspector did travel to Venice to meet Ripley in person.

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Help me out. Did they actually meet face to face?

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I'll quote from the book:

The tenente knocked.
Tom opened the door in a languid way. 'Buona sera.'
'Buona sera. Tenente Roverini della Polizia Romana.' The tenente's homely, smiling face did not look the least surprised or suspicious. Behind him came another tall, silent young police officer--not another, Tom realized suddenly, but the one who had been with the tenente when Tom had first met Roverini in the apartment in Rome.

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Thanks.

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