Better than the first one? - The Haunting of Bly Manor (2020) Discussion

[–] exatera (3953) 4 years ago

I thought this season was better, too. Ep 5 with all the temporal stuff going on was downright fascinating. I was enthralled.

Was Hannah actually killed the same day? I mean, I'd be more surprised by how she was able to push a broom around after that and all. I did notice right away, however, that she always had some excuse not to eat.

And I opened a topic about #2 as well.

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[–] TheReccher (344) 4 years ago

Season 1 had better pacing. Every scene involved someone with a clear, visibly defined goal and furthered the theme, story and understanding of the characters. Bly Manor barrages you with scenes where literally nothing of importance happens.

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[–] NoEasyBuckets (346) 4 years ago

I actually think this season was weaker in pretty much every aspect, but I respect your opinion.

1. The reason we're given is that she didn't "accept" her death. She carried on as if she was living. I'd have to re-watch to see if there are a lot of clues that she was already dead.

2. All of the ghosts were stuck there because of the lake ghost. She released them when Dani invited her in.

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[–] exatera (3953) 4 years ago

Ah, your response to #2 makes more sense than the one I got from someone in my topic.

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[–] Kendricks (2239) 4 years ago

I prefer Season 1.

More interesting characters, I liked the switches between now and then, and most importantly, Season was actually a horror series. Season 2 lacks a lot of horror and relies too much on "brain fuckery".

I enjoyed it, but prefer the style of season 1.

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[–] Grimace788 (267) 4 years ago

I thought the first one was much better. For me, the horror elements of the first one is what made it so memorable. I didn't hate Bly Manor, but I did find it to be very underwhelming by comparison.

1. I agree that she hadn't accepted her death so she walked around like everything was normal. The wine part was weird though. She clearly avoided eating on multiple occasions so I'm not sure why she could drink wine.

2. I agree, Lake Ghost released them when she entered Dani's body.

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[–] Orcsquisher (11) 4 years ago

Not in the slightest imo. This was so boring I only made it halfway through the second episode.

I thought the first series was so much better. The mark of a good ghost story is one that makes you forget about any looming supernatural threat so that when something scary does happen, it's truly a surprise. The side stories were interesting enough to provide that distraction.

Also, really sick of woke bullshit. Nothing made the setting seem more fabricated than the forced diversity casting.

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[–] SLukyanenko (74) 4 years ago

Yeah, because if the entire cast were white things would be just as they should be and you wouldn't whine pathetically about it.

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[–] Orcsquisher (11) 4 years ago

Yes who else would you expect to find as a housekeeper at an old English manor in the 1980's but a middle aged bald black woman? Give me a fucking break.

I have zero problem with a person of any color or race being cast in any role of any film...WHEN IT MAKES SENSE.

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[–] SLukyanenko (74) 4 years ago

You aren't fooling anyone when you spend post after post whining about non-whites being cast in projects. You're racist, pure and simple.

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[–] Orcsquisher (11) 4 years ago

Uh, you may want to check some of my past posts. Unless you think i somehow retroactively argued against white wash casting for the Dune film weeks ago to refute the accusation of racism you made...2 min ago

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[–] Kendricks (2239) 4 years ago

Ah, leftists... simply calling everyone a racist completely ignoring whatever they say, let alone contemplate if they might have a point.

I noticed the odd, non-fitting housekeeper as well, especially her haircut.
Guess I'm a racist too. Or a misogynist? Both?

Fucking idiots...

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[–] TheArgentinian (7062) 4 years ago

"Guess I'm a racist too. Or a misogynist? Both?"

Yes. If you can accept supernatural elements but someone's race bothers you, you are those things.

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[–] Kendricks (2239) 4 years ago

For a moment, I tried to put myself in your shoes, tried to pretend I am that stupid.
It was a horror show of its own!

I never said "her race bothers me".
Because it doesn't.

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[–] TheArgentinian (7062) 4 years ago

Aren't you the one complaining about a black woman being on this?

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[–] Kendricks (2239) 4 years ago

Quote me.

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[–] TheArgentinian (7062) 4 years ago

>I noticed the odd, non-fitting housekeeper as well, especially her haircut.

Not only you agreed with that user, you also added another minority.

Anything else?

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[–] Kendricks (2239) 4 years ago

Yes, quote me where I said her race bothers me.

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[–] TheArgentinian (7062) 4 years ago

Are you stupid or something?

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[–] Kendricks (2239) 4 years ago

Since you cannot answer my question... I should ask you the same. :)

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[–] TheArgentinian (7062) 4 years ago

"I know you are but what am I?"

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

I didn't think your comment was racist, just an observation. Ignore the morons here.

That said, it's not really a woke thing. The idea of a black housekeeper at the manor isn't odd.

Britain has had a large black and brown population for decades and decades, long before the 80s. Many of them were immigrants from the various nations of the British Empire. I think many people -- particularly in North America -- still cling to the image of Britain as a nation of people with bad teeth and working class accents.

I encountered most black people in the large metropolitan areas, but some would obviously be dispersed around the country in pursuit of employment.

The bald thing? Personal preference, medical condition, cultural practice... not that big a deal.

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[–] exatera (3953) 4 years ago

I mean, I could have seen your point of these events were taking place in 1887, but I don't see how it's so forced for 1987.

And what does her age have to do with anything, anyway?..

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[–] TheArgentinian (7062) 4 years ago

These people would complain about diversity in any time and place.

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[–] Grimace788 (267) 4 years ago

Wait a minute, are you saying that having a black housekeeper, an Indian chef/driver, a black au pair, and a cook and au pair who are a lesbian couple wasn't common in rural English manors during the 1980s?

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[–] TheArgentinian (7062) 4 years ago

Unlike ghosts in lakes.

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[–] Grimace788 (267) 4 years ago

It is a fictional story. The part about ghosts isn't supposed to be realistic.
Still, in any story there are parts that need to be realistic in order to create the atmosphere. They chose the English countryside in the 1980s as the setting. The characters and attitudes should reflect that place and time period. What is the purpose of setting a show during a certain time period if the characters look and act nothing like they would have at that time?
If the characters were using smart phones and other technologies that didn't exist at the time would that be okay? Because ghosts aren't real then nothing in the show has to be based on reality?

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[–] TheArgentinian (7062) 4 years ago

Whatever lets you justify it in your head.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Nothing unreal about it.

As I mentioned in another post, Britain has always had a large black and brown population... immigrants from the various countries that Britain invaded and made part of the British empire. And, just like in North America, many of them worked in the service industries, restaurant industry, cab drivers, etc.

I think your vision of Britain is based on the dated cliche of Upstair Downstairs... all proper butlers in waist coats, nannies in bonnets sort of thing.

As far as the lesbian thing... there were gay people back then. And, based on my experience living in England in the 80s, as a society they were generally more tolerant if not accepting of the lifestyle compare to North Americans. So not a big deal.

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[–] Grimace788 (267) 4 years ago

Of course England has had many non-white people living there for a long time. It just isn't realistic that the manor would have had the amount of diversity that the show depicted given the location and time period. The British countryside simply was not that diverse at that time.

I don't doubt that the British were more tolerant than Americans towards gay/lesbian people back then. However, it still took almost thirty years after the setting of the show for gay/lesbian people to obtain equal rights in England. So somebody over there was prejudiced against them.
In the show a wealthy family's au pair was in a same sex relationship with their gardener and the two slept together in a room right down the hall from the kids. In general, this would not have been considered acceptable at this time/place. The writers took modern attitudes and inserted them into another time/place.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

"It just isn't realistic that the manor would have had the amount of diversity that the show depicted given the location and time period."

Your understanding of life in England back in the 1980s is inaccurate.

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[–] Grimace788 (267) 4 years ago

Your understanding of life in England back in the 1980s is inaccurate.

Maybe so, but the writers of this show's understanding of life in England in the 1980s is even more inaccurate.

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[–] cyguration (3951) 4 years ago

LOL.... I only came to this thread after MarxistTube forced this piece of garbage into my recommended queue after another piece of Cornhole Commissar propaganda was pushed into my feed starring Kate Winslet and that sickly looking chick, Saoirse Ronan.

The most ridiculous thing about it is that it wasn't a trailer for the show, but rather an 11 minute piece of propaganda showing exerts from the show about a lesbian romance. I had no idea what this show was about, and so I had to Google it and read up on it and nothing about it mentioned anything about lesbian romances in the IMDB page.

Quite naturally this led to further confusion, because WTF did the video of 11 minutes worth of lesbian propaganda have to do with what's essentially a multi-season... horror show?!

Since IMDB nuked their threads I had to come here to find out more about this show because MarxistTube left me completely confused about the whole thing.

After reading your post and understanding that this is just more Cultural Marxist propaganda with "politically correct" nonsense shoved in to appease the mentally unstable people who voted for P@d0 Joe, I can rest easy knowing that I'm not missing anything by completely avoiding The Haunting of Bly Manor as if it were the plague.

Also, thank you for being one of the few people to write reason into your post by pointing out that all this "diversity" and "inclusivity" nonsense was not as prevalent or as accepted back in the 1980s anywhere, especially not Britain. In fact, it was illegal in many parts for open homosexuality to be on display, and most legalizations back in the 80s was about homosexual acts being acceptable only in private between two consenting adults of appropriate age.

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 4 years ago

There is no way in hell this is better than “Haunting of Hill House”, which was extremely well made and paced, surprisingly scary, and very heartfelt at the same time.

There were barely any scares in Bly Manor. It was so slow it was ridiculous. I was so bored that by the time something actually happened, I didn’t even care that it happened. “And she slept, and she woke up, and she walked...” Over and over and over.

I also didn’t like most of the characters in Bly Manor. I thought the way Dani treated her dead fiancé’s mother was disgusting when she stopped by to visit before Dani ran out on everyone, and I personally think she deserved to be haunted by him.

I did think the chef and the housekeeper were good sympathetic characters.

Overall, they really swung and missed on this one. It was a shame. Was really looking forward to it.

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[–] ILJtheFirst (2104) 4 years ago

I agree with you almost word for word. The atmosphere was great, but the pacing was so slow. Hill House had so much good in it that you really can't compare the two. The Bly Manor trailer was amazing, but the show just doesn't make the cut.

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