From what I gathered, there was some peace after Neo's death, however, not all machines were OK with this and thus resulted a war between the machine cities. I think there is still actual peace or a ceasefire between Io and the machines, but there is a faction of machines who are in power (the suits) who do not like the red pillers and are not honoring the deal and there is a faction of humans, Bugs and company, that are trying to wake people who want to be awake or are somewhat aware.
It was implied that Morpheus died with Zion. The specifies of his death are unknown. Whether the machines destroyed Zion or most of the people migrated to Io and Zion simply faded away was unclear to me. It is possible, that they intentionally left it open, to have Morpheus return. He has been living in the ruins of Zion all the years. Perhaps it's possible to extend his life (seeing that 60 years passed) with some type of tech.
The Analyst resurrected Neo and Trinity because they were needed to keep the Matrix running properly. Without the anomaly, the Matrix won't function as it should. When he resurrected them, he understood that they had a special bond so in the process he spliced their code up hence they are now both "The One".
Machine hierarchy I assume is the suits in power after the war and Sati and the other machines are a less powerful faction and there may also be more that we don't know about. The thing I don't get is why the Suits seem to let The Analyst do whatever he pleases, but why aren't they more involved or concerned when the Matrix is vital to their power supply and thus life. What are the suits doing in the meantime?
I also don't understand how Smith plays into the new Matrix and is not effected by the bullet time or is even alive. The machine mainframe decimated his code in Revolutions and it seems like the machines would want nothing to do with that program ever again so why let Neo re-write him? Also why is Smith effected by swarm mode?
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acidraindrop (3055)
3 years ago
I think your write-up is on point.
I also don't understand how Smith plays into the new Matrix and is not effected by the bullet time or is even alive. The machine mainframe decimated his code in Revolutions and it seems like the machines would want nothing to do with that program ever again so why let Neo re-write him? Also why is Smith effected by swarm mode?
This (bullet time subjugation/smith's agency) was honestly one of the few creative things about this film that I really liked...and yet they put so little effort in explaining it...which to be fair, isn't new for the Wachowskis but it was a bit frustrating.
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howgamer (3929)
3 years ago
It was. Bullet Time seemed to not only be slow motion, but DVR as the Analyst is able to rewind live events. I'm not sure why Smith is not effected or why the Analyst cannot still use this feature during the last scene unless Neo and Trinity are able to now withstand it.
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papamihel (1616)
3 years ago
Do you really think the Ws are truly interested in the lore?
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Marty1968 (332)
3 years ago
Not really, they create these universes like this or Jupiter Ascending and put very little explanation as to how, why and where it’s going 😕
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kuatorises (7467)
3 years ago
Oh, I know there was a time of peace. They said as much. And a machine war. I would love to know more about that. But it's not clear how long it lasted, how many humans are still in the Matrix, and how things went to shit again. Is the Deus ex machina no longer calling the shots or a part of the group of "suits" calling the shots?
Ok, so they didn't say how Morpheus died. Got it.
The code from the anomaly/The One pops up automatically. It's a part of people accepting the matrix. There is always going to a One. There were 5 before Neo. They didn't need Neo specifically based on past mythology.
The Deus ex machina used to let the Oracle and Architect run the matrix and stayed largely uninvolved.
I didn't get the point of Smith either. How, why, etc. None of it added up.
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acidraindrop (3055)
3 years ago
Given that Morpheus statue looked like Morpheus, I feel like Zion only lasted a few years. I would have loved more insight into the synthient shit, and the worldbuilding of what happened after the word...it's a shame we really didn't get much of that. I assumed the deus ex machina lost the civil war. And the suits is the new group in charge. The suits don't really care about chasing down Io, but they didn't honor the original agreement either to give people choice of accepting the matrix or not.
I'm currently working off the understanding that Smith exists automatically in conjunction with the anomaly/One. That's the only thing I got, because that certainly was not intentional on the Analyst's part. He based the new matrix off of the relationship between Neo and Trinity; I think Smith was an oversight (it's unclear whether Smith being Neo's employer was intentionally set by the Analyst to lock him in place, or Smith emerged out of Neo's employer).
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howgamer (3929)
3 years ago
That's why I still think there is some version of peace. The machines could easily destroy Io, but maybe they just don't care or are at least honoring that part of the truce. About Smith, I guess that makes the most sense, why bullet time doesn't effect him though and does effect Neo I have no idea.
I think the most interesting concept was the machine civil war and machines working with humans. Maybe we'll get that movie someday.
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acidraindrop (3055)
3 years ago
Yeah, I think your original writeup in the thread was fairly accurate, at least, with how I interpreted the film.
And lol yeah. Without any genuine explanation of how the DVR function works, it's hard for us to speculate exactly why Smith would be immune to it.
I think the most interesting concept was the machine civil war and machines working with humans.
When they started introducing Neo to the friendly machines, I thought the movie was going to be about the civil war and the different machine factions, and I was disappointed that all of that turned out to be fluff. They didn't really go into any of that at all, except the plot device of Neo being extracted directly by a friendly machine.
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howgamer (3929)
3 years ago
"When they started introducing Neo to the friendly machines, I thought the movie was going to be about the civil war and the different machine factions,"
I did too and I thought it was really cool and then we only got like a three second screenshot lol
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howgamer (3929)
3 years ago
I assumed the "suits" won the machine war and are calling the shots. But, not sure if the Deus ex machina is still around or is the same group just called something different by humans.
I think this Matrix runs differently than the previous versions with the purge of the old admins like the Oracle and I assume the Architect (I don't think he was mentioned as being gone, but no longer in control) and is built around Neo and Trinity or their connection. I think the Analyst may say something along those lines while explaining why he needs Neo to return to the Matrix.
By the time we get to know the Architect he has a mostly proven track record so they could let him do what he deems necessary. This is the Analyst's first shot and it's after a civil war, so my line of thinking is they would keep closer tabs on what he is doing rather than let him run wild with a new concept, though it appeared to be working so I guess it doesn't matter.
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kuatorises (7467)
3 years ago
Did they? Or did the Deus ex machina go back on it's word and is part of "the suits"? I didn't assume either way, which is why I'd like to know more. It would make a good Animatrix 2, but I doubt we'll see that.
I don't see any reason why you need Neo and Trinity when the One/anomaly has been popping up for 100s of years.
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sati_84 (467)
3 years ago
As others have already said, this is a good writeup, nicely detailed explanation.
This post even shows how ridiculous mental gymnastics were required from the script to allow for a new setup, a new status quo, which on the one hand totally disrespectful towards the first 3 movies, and on the other hand is not really new and overall really lame.
It could all have been saved with great action scenes, good dialogue, competent cinematography... but what we got was vastly inferior to the previous Matrix films. This is extremely apparent when they show clips from them. The cinematography, color grading and lighting is just... so bad in this new one, which was made almost 20 years after the last one. What a shame!
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howgamer (3929)
3 years ago
The constant flashbacks to the original were so annoying. I really do not understand that decision. We've all seen the first movie lol, stop showing us these flashbacks!
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