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Are you Team Tom or Team Summer?


I'm team neither. They'd both make terrible partners. Tom is insecure, needy and naive. Summer told him from the beginning that she wasn't looking for anything serious, yet he still let himself get his hopes up and then blamed her when she ultimately rejected him.

Summer is no better. She knew Tom had a thing for her, yet she still kept sleeping with him, flirting and sending him mixed messages. No wonder he was so confused.

With that said, I would say Tom is the lesser of two evils. Tom would probably learn from this and not make the same mistake again. Summer would probably continue to manipulate people because she doesn't seem to care about how her actions affect others.

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Tom didn't let him self , in fact he was fighting him self hard . but to understand what he went through you need to go through the same . when you meet the girl of your dreams , its impossible to resist falling for her , he would do the same for her for less than what she gave .

and to tame a girl like summer , all you have to do is show her less appreciation and love that she deserve.

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Team Tom for sure

Summer didnt want a serious bf, didnt want a relationship and just a few months later ends up married.

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I'm Team Autumn because Minka Kelly is a GODDESS

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Team Tom. Being insecure is ok and understandable than being a whore. (continue reading OPs post...)

"Tom is the lesser of two evils"
And I was right.

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Team Tom. Being insecure is more ok and understandable than being a whore.


We all have to also remember its a little unfair to call Tom "Insecure" BY DEFINITION their relationship was everything BUT SECURE.

He was insecure because his current situation completely lacked security. I don't feel there's anything wrong with him feeling/acting that way. Sure there were other things he did wrong, but being insecure was not one of them in this case.

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He was insecure because his current situation completely lacked security. I don't feel there's anything wrong with him feeling/acting that way. Sure there were other things he did wrong, but being insecure was not one of them in this case.


But that's the bed he makes when his sister points out that he should ask Summer how things are going, and the reason he hasn't is because he doesn't want to rock the boat.

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The best reply ever, dude i know i'm late replying after almost a year but actually i've been confused since i watched this movie and i couldn't figure out who's wrong (between Tom and Summer). i share the same point with you, Tom is little bit naive and unsecure because he putted all his hopes on Summer however she told him that she's not looking for a serious relationship, Besides Summer also is a tricky, selfish girl she kept sending him msgs after she broke up with him, she had sex with him several times, she shared with him a really long period of time and she told him that she was happy with him, and one day she said to him that they're just friends and that's not all because she invited him to her engagment party and she came to his favorite spot the park to told him that she wasn't ever sure with him before she got married and then she touched his hand. Really can't find the words to describe her actions :(
Sorry for the long reply and for my bad english :)

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Tom. He's the one who had a deep seated hope of finding the one since he was a young man.

She is the one who is a flake and is fickle as sh!t. She hides under a fake persona that sends mixed messages as it invokes a yoyo of emotions in the other. She borders the commitment line as a selfish shield for herself where she wants the lovey dovey closeness without risk to herself.

Then she has the audacity to tell him that he was the one who made her believe in love but it...just...wasn't...with...him. It was with some random guy she met who asked her about a book she was reading that only happened because she decided she wanted to be alone after watching that Dustin Hoffman flick that ends with the two supposed lovebirds getting hitched and once the wedding giddiness is over they look at each other with a sense of dread like their life was now over. That it was her "fate" for this to happen. A girl who wasn't even looking while effectively using another who was. WTF!

"Thanks Tom for making me believe!"

He was the sincere one.

She was the...well...a bitch.

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Good post. Just watched the film. I was pretty neutral, maybe slightly leaning "Team Tom" but now am solidly in his camp. She was ultimately cruel to him, even if it wasn't her intention; and I'm sure it wasn't. It was a case of cruelty masked by fickle-ness.

Sounds like the classic cliche' of a high school or college girl declining a date/party with her boy friend, saying she's tired and wants to stay in: only for said stood-up boyfriend to later spot her at the party with another guy; then girl later says "no hard feelings, OK?"

Too bad, since she was otherwise a likable character in the film.

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Why do there have to be teams? Why can't you appreciate both of them?

Everyone's so f-cking judgmental.

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Summer send extremely mixed signals, stating that she does not want anything serious and then acting to all extends and purposes like a girlfriend. Imagine someone that says she/he likes you and then hits you, I see the same inconsitency in her acts. Ultimately actions count, not words and she should stand behind her actions

However, Tom also messed it up. He knew not to ask because the answer was not what he wanted to hear so he stayed with the hope (key Word here is hope) that Summer would fall in love with him -which of course she did not-. It was his choice to hang on to that and it backfired and feed his insecurity.

They both pretended to be something they were not because they were attracted and that worked for both of them, for a while, until finally one of them realised that it was not going to work. Summer acted like a girlfriend even if she stated that she did not want something serious. Tom said that he was ok with something casual but he was not.

They tried to have a relationship that worked for both of them but they both wanted different things.

So taking all of the above I don't think either one is to blame for the relationship happening, they both made mistakes. The only thing that tips the balance in favor of Tom is the aftermath -and this is where the screenwriter played a good trick-. Meeting on the train and spending all the wedding together, dancing, inviting him to a party and not once mentioning "Hey I'm engaged or hey I'm seeing someone", that is to say the least tactless. It is crucial information that is omitted by a character(again this is the screenwriter and not the carácter shaping the story, which I don't blame because I loved expectations VS reality bit)

Just because of that: Team Tom. The dude was barely getting out of the slump and he was a hopeless romantic. I think Summer did the right thing ending the relation because they were going to hurt each other, but after meeting again failing to communicate something so huge is well tactless.

So yeah, Team Tom exclusively for what happens after the relation. During the relation they both made mistakes.

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We're also team neither, and think that's the right approach to this film. It's more an examination of relationships in general, which is why it is such a poignant film. It's such a REAL relationship, with flaws in both parties. We wouldn't want to begin a relationship with Tom or Summer, but that's kind of the point. It's a quirky, Indie film without becoming cliché or overly mundane about their day to day lives. The Hollywood critics of our podcast, Les Roberts and Ann Elder, give it a 10 out of 10. Listen here for their in depth analysis:

https://www.thefrontporchpeople.com/greenlightreviews/500-days-of-summer

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I just re-watched it for the first time in a few years and I've had a counter reaction. Summer did explicitly state to Tom that they were "just friends", however in aggressive denial he cut her off. I never heard Summer once say to Tom that they were any more than casual friends who sometimes had sex, nor did she mention any exclusivity. However, that doesn't give Summer a free pass in the "all clear" direction. She should have been more instrumental in ending things as soon as she saw Tom getting hooked. The problem was he was hooked even before she gave him anything. Before they even met, in fact. That's the problem with his character... he projected his own idealised fantasies on strangers. He coveted her purely based on her physical appearance in the office, when all they had between them were a few brief glances. They were both stubborn, both a little foolish, but I guess Summer had at least tried to make it clear. The problem was, her words did not follow through with her actions.

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