Fassbender was such a wuss - Eden Lake (2008) Discussion

[–] johnbayer79 10 years ago

I just had to clear up that I'm not as stupid/annoying I (drunkenly) come off sometimes lol.

You know a film is good when it A.) provokes such raw emotions
B.)stays on your mind long after viewing it
C.)has you watching it again in under a week
D.)makes you realize something about yourself in the process

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[–] iori_reveal 10 years ago

They make a lot of awful, stupid decisions and I thought the movie as a whole sucked, totally hated the ending too.
This and The purge are the two movies I can't stand because of the stupidity of the characters.

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[–] barronsteve80 10 years ago

I would have cut their heads off. If you're going camping and don't bring a weapon you've made a mistake.

Bird up!

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[–] drewsturner1943 10 years ago

HAHA!!! 100 percent agree! His biggest mistake was heading into the woods without some sort of protection and I'm not talking Trojans. A bat, hatchet..something, even a pellet gun. Never head into remote places without a weapon-

Same for Blair Witch Project...I know you can't kill the witch but having pistol would have decreased my anxiety levels.

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[–] barronsteve80 10 years ago

Movies wherein characters go camping and don't bring self-protection truly IRK the hell out of me... I grew up in the woods of the Upper Peninsula and even as youngins we at least had our "machetes"! lulz!!!

I recently watched Backcountry(2014) and it's a screaming testament to this practice...
It's like these city-naifs expect to only see butterflies and pick berries!

Bird up!

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[–] johmil-18374 9 years ago

Its England not America. I don't think its legal to have a gun if you don't have a hunting license. To me his not a wimp or an idiot, but I wouldn't ask the kids to turn down their music. They clearly are not guys you want anything to do with, so as a principal you should leave also when its not your home (the kids live in the area and feel entitled to do what they want).

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[–] theoneheart 9 years ago

The guy gets my vote for suicidal stupidity. If you're not willing to put some serious hurt on those kids, you need to leave. If you confront them and kill their dog, dropping you're weapon is beyond stupid especially when you're not only risking your own life. I agree that going camping with nothing you can use to defend yourself is hard to imagine. This guy was so irredeemably foolish it was difficult to feel for him.

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[–] PopperTheKungFu-Dragon 9 years ago

This guy was so irredeemably foolish it was difficult to feel for him.

He was incredibly foolish, yes, but how can you not feel for him going through what he did.

Very good. But brick not hit back!

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[–] theoneheart 9 years ago

I appreciate your compassion. My compassion is limited to Jenny. Fassbender's criminal negligence lead to the rape and murder of Jenny, his wife or girl friend. Jenny pleaded for Fassbender to restrain himself. Instead, he confronted a gang of hoodlums, killed their dog and then dropped the only weapon he had to defend his wife on purpose. Fassbender earned his fate and unfortunately took Jenny down with him despite her heroic efforts. Yes, it was beyond difficult for me to feel him.

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[–] johmil-18374 9 years ago

No he didnt earn his fate, his not responsible for the situation even though he was one of the person that triggered the situation. I agree with the former comment that he acted foolish and reckless but the situation that followed is of course on the young thugs and especially the leader of the gang.

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[–] theoneheart 9 years ago

True, Fassbender didn't earn his fate. He took actions against the passionate request of Jenny that serious imperiled their lives. He is therefore responsible in part for the trauma they experienced and the loss of their lives. While watching the film, my disgust at his failure to take reasonable actions to defend his wife superseded any concern felt for his well being. I do appreciate your compassion for him despite his foolishness.

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[–] johmil-18374 8 years ago

Long time ago but I have to revisitit this post again. To me a man isnt responsible for what would happend to his wife if he act somewhat reckless. But if he had a kid there it would be another matter.

It reminds me about something that happend a while ago, a bankrobbery accured and a man saw the robbers driving away.
He is sitting in his car and decided for some reason to follow the robbers. The robbers see him follow, stop their car and started blasting at the car of the man following them. The man survived, his kid didnt who sat besides him. Thats a different scenario to me and in this case the father is to blame (not more than the robbers but nearly as much on a moralstand).

Because as a parent you are responsible for your child, as a partner your not really responsible in the same way for another adult. Secondly who knows, the thugs could aswell started to confront the couple on the beach anyhow and things may accalerate from that. In the situation with the man following the robbers nothing at all would have happen if he just stayed put, thats not really certain in the beach situation.

Again he acted reckless on the beach that day, but who hasnt acted dumb in life a lot of times. And after all its hard to belive that this scenario will happen with youths on a beach, but in the situation with the robbers its clearly very dangerous thing to follow armed robbers and its not at all hard to see that they can open fire at you. Its easy for us, but we are watching a movie and we more or less know what will happen, not at all the same thing.

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[–] theoneheart 8 years ago

We agree we all make mistakes and most are sometimes reckless. We are responsible to avoid "recklessly" endangering the lives of our acquaintances, friends, family or children. It was reckless for Fassbender to aggravate a gang of unruly youth by confronting them against the wishes of his wife. By killing their dog, Fassbender almost guaranteed a violent response. Fassbender then gave up a weapon needed to defend himself and his wife. We all evaluate our responsibility for the results of our actions differently. It may be a bit to generous to absolve Fassbender of all responsibility for the results of his actions.

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[–] Augustus_Octavian 8 years ago

Agreed on the beach situation. The foreseeable consequence there is a severe beating that ends up with a hospital visit.

Completely disagree with him confronting a bunch of violent armed thieves in the depth of night in the wilderness with no backup, except for his equally unarmed and terrified girlfriend.

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[–] johmil-18374 8 years ago

And I would also ad that we as a society wouldnt be in a good place if people didnt act a bit reckless sometimes to stand up against bullies and others. There are jobs that in there very nature is dangerous and its kind of reckliess taking a job like that if you have a family (like a police for example) but im glad they do.

The phenomen with people criticising the characters in a movie for making wrong decisions is interesting though. We all kind of know where its heading, cause we know what kind of movie it is and events and decisions matter more so than in a generic life situation. This mimics perfectly a memory of a misstake we made and we see it all over and over again. And we know what will happen (something we didnt know in the situation) and we just want to go back and change it. This is a survival mode I suppose to learn of your mistakes, but generally this way of thinking is overly active and torture people to much.

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[–] theoneheart 8 years ago

We agree that mistakes are human and forgiveness is divine while also greatly reducing our stress levels. Joining the police or army provides income to care for your family without risking their lives. Fassbender aggravated a gang of unruly youth against the passionately stated wishes of his wife then left himself and his wife at their mercy. Fassbender is largely responsible for the outcome depicted in the film.

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[–] johmil-18374 8 years ago

Without risking their lives? I know a police whos family has been threatened by organized crime so dont delude yourself that this is so black and white. If a police wife dont want him to work as a police and bad things happend is he not to blame by this kind of hard retoric.

Again you are failing to see that you see a movie where you know whats going to happen more or less. Thats my point with the memory of something you done wrong, when you think of that memory you wish you could go back and change what you did cause you know what will happen if you do what you did. The problem with this thinking even though its good to learn by your mistake is that after the fact its very easy to see what you shouldnt do. The same goes for a movie and lets not overdo what he did, its a horror story. Not very hard for you to guess the outcome of what will happen.

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[–] theoneheart 8 years ago

Most police never fire their gun on the job outside the firing range. It's almost unheard of for a police officer's family to die because of his work. Don't see the direct cause and effect between joining the police force and a policemen losing their family to the mob. Do see reasonable justification in taking the risk to address mob violence. Don't see it when aggravating a gang of teens and killing their dog while camping alone with your wife. Hindsight is 20/20 vision. That said, there is little if anything I would change in my life or choices that bought me here. Take responsibility for your choices means you live with the outcomes your choices and life produce.

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[–] johmil-18374 8 years ago

It has nothing to do with guns, ofcourse generally nobody dies but its still death threats and that affect every family in a certain way the family Im thinking of had to get a secret identity. Take the example of someone joining the military and beeing a part of a war is also a risk factor. There is not a small percentage of soldiers that have PTSD and they could act very different from before and also beeing a riskfactor for the family.

I dont think its negative to regret or wanting to change your choises its in some way sympatic, atleast if you hurt others. Much more so than judging others for there mistakes when it clearly just is a reckless move and hard to see the serious consecvenses that would have.

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[–] johmil-18374 8 years ago

And killing there dog was hardly his intention. This was a situation that sprialed out of control. And how could he know that this guys where this dangerous, if they didnt have this leader of the group. It wouldnt have gone this far at all.

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[–] Augustus_Octavian 8 years ago

Yes, the police officer is to blame. If you work as a nacro, the gang knows your home address and your wife begged you to stop, yes yes a thousand yes!

You are fully to blame for the gang murdering your entire family. The gang is legally responsible, but you personally am to blame.

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[–] Augustus_Octavian 8 years ago

If you deliberately seek out violence, then you are to blame for the results. Sure, legal responsibility may rest with the murderers, practically it is your responsibility.

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[–] Augustus_Octavian 8 years ago

Because he went looking for it. So often, people online are harsh on some poor innocent victim. This guy wasn't it. He actively went looking for violence, and he found it.

I would not have pity on a Jew who went up to the SS either.

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[–] siltom1962 9 years ago

Your post makes no sense whatsoever, you've contradicted yourself. Maybe thinking isn't your thing, try something else.

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[–] rwburnham 9 years ago

It's very tough to know how one would react in the heat of the moment, especially under the threat of being stabbed.

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[–] againstglobalism 8 years ago

Fassbender was a bit outnumbered. But still, he should've been braver and more firm. He shouldn't have allowed those kids (or teens for that matter) to terrorize him in the way that they did. Or better yet, he should've just left the lake, the minute those troublemakers showed up. I know that may sound like an easy way out, but I think it would've been a better idea than sticking around. He should've recognized trouble when he seen it. In fact, he was kinda being a lousy husband, allowing his wife to be subjected to such savages. But then again, he probably didn't expect the situation to escalate in the way that it did. I mean, sure...those kids were definitely acting like a group of troublemakers from the start. But there was no way to assume that their trouble-making behavior would lead to murder. It's a strange and twisted world that we live in. You can't always predict things. So all in all, Steve was a bit responsible for his own demise...but then again, it wasn't entirely his fault. He was just in a crazy and totally unexpected situation. A firearm would've came in handy during a time like that. Just sayin...

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[–] Augustus_Octavian 8 years ago

True, people would not reasonably expect death. People would reasonably expect a severe beating, ending up with a hospital visit though. Isn't that bad enough?

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