After watching this movie about a month ago, I still think about it sometimes. I've never seen a movie like this before. What I mostly think about though, is what if Dren had been treated better, especially by Elsa? Would she still have done what she did at the end? Adrian Brody's character treated Dren better than Elsa, IMO, so if Elsa had treated Dren more like a daughter/human being rather than as a pet/experiment, would things had been different?
To be honest, had I been in Elsa's shoes, I probably would've ended up treating Dren like my own child. Not just because I'd be petrified she'd kill me if I pissed her off, but also because since Dren was created with Elsa's DNA (or my DNA since I'm pretending to be in Elsa's shoes here) I'd probably feel some sort of bond with Dren, like parents feel with their own children.
You have to admit, Elsa was pretty cruel to Dren towards the end of the movie. Stripping her of her clothes and tying her up (humiliating and degrading), cutting off her stinger (pain and possibly torture), then just leaving her there like that like an old rag (abandonment).
What do you all think? If Dren had been treated better, would she still have done what she did? Or do you think she would've done it regardless of how she was treated?
OP, I STILL don't understand why Elsa did that to Dren, cutting her shirt; why??? That had no effect on her getting the stinger, which she needed, and then leaving her like that?? It's the one part of the movie that goes way out of its league in sense and senseless brutality and un-character-like behavior. I still don't get it, especially since Dren had done nothing that bad at that point, nothing to deprive Elsa of all feeling, and Elsa's loving feelings returned later.
She cut off her shirt/dress and removed her makeup because she was trying to "remove" the things that would make her seem more human(wearing clothes, being treated like a human, etc). And it was to show how jilted, unstable and vindictive Elsa is.
You mean Elsa? If so, I agree but it shows throughout the film that though she's brilliant, she was effing insane in the membrane due to her dark past. I think her 'sudden change' when she cut Dren's tail off is really her mental illness getting out of hand. Also the events that followed her "de-humanizing" Dren made her lose what was left of any sanity she may have had all together. Plus, maybe it's just me but I can even look at her and can tell something isn't right with her.
I feel so so bad for Dren. So very mistreated. Alone, scared, not knowing who she is... Much like any teenager of course but taken to an extreme. There really isn't anybody else like her and so on. And the cat... "You could get sick". Yeah... but if eating a wild rabbit or living in an old defunct barn won't have an impact, at cute kitty prolly wont kill her.
Dren is obviously a smart, sentient and sensitive being with many human qualities. I think she would have become a real person if she would have been given the chance.
I disagree. Dren appeared to be a very instinct driven creature.
As a child, it was very attached to its "mom", while vary of everything else. However, it could not be obedient like a human child; when asked to be quiet or anything else, it always squirmed and screamed or did its own thing.
As it matured from a child into a young adult, especially after witnessing Clive and Elsa doing their thing, Dren started lusting for Clive, and disobeyed, ignored, and challenged Elsa. At first it seemed to perceive Elsa as the alpha and was reluctant to vex her. Later on, it killed the cat simply because it was a gift from Elsa. Then proceeded to mate with Clive.
As a male, it instinctively killed all the males in the vicinity, possibly letting Clive go because it thought he already died, then proceeded to mate with the female in the group.
Another thread made me think of something, what if the transformation from female to male occurs only after the hybrids have mated? It occurred for both Gina and Dren, so...
While I do see some human tendencies from Dren like jealousy/spite/revenge, it seemed to act mostly from natural instinct, and I do not believe it can be domesticated nor civilized.
they do, but they also conform to this society, for the most part, is what I'm getting at. I just don't feel like Dren is capable of/willing to suppress its natural tendencies in order to be part of a civilized society is all.
they do, but they also conform to this society, for the most part, is what I'm getting at. I just don't feel like Dren is capable of/willing to suppress its natural tendencies in order to be part of a civilized society is all.
I don't agree that the want to "be part of a civilized society" is a natural tendency. In todays man sure, but not in early man. Civilization is young but man is old. And even if she's "just an animal"she would most likely have behaved "better" if treated better. Or wouldn't you agree that Dren is sentient enough to understad such things?
Understand, yes. Follow, no. I'll try to clarify. It's not that Dren's "just an animal", he is actually superior than humans, and he probably knows this. He was actually capable of taking over humans, but what actually did him in was that he was a little too human.
He's shown on many occasions to be probably much more intellectual than the average human, being able to learn and adapt very fast, but, for disadvantages, it inherited human ego, jealousy, carelessness, and probably emotional behavior.
The first problem was that female Dren was too timid. By the time it got to the barn, it was probably capable of surviving without the couples' help. I can understand if it has pack-like tendencies and wanted to stay with them, and subsequently, was kept there by attraction to the alpha male. However, she really could have gone out anytime she wanted to afterwards, but she stayed locked up in the barn just because they didn't want her to. Also, she must have been too attached to Elsa, because when she "beat" her, she should probably have killed her to claim her position as alpha female. If Dren had just left and explored the world, she would have become a lot more knowledgeable, and been able to ruthlessly do whatever it wanted to humans.
Then, when it became male Dren, it erred by leaving Clive for dead just because he was laying on the ground; it possibly even knew that he was still alive, and purposefully let him live as a beta male. Whether it was ego or carelessness, it was part of what got him killed. It proceeded to confront Elsa where it found her instead of carrying her away to a secluded area, which would have been the smart and instinctual thing to do.
Then, at the end, even when its life was about to end, it had to show human spite or vengefulness by killing Clive. This wasn't done because it's beast.
So the above was to establish what I view as some flaws on the human part of Dren. To go into more detail on why I don't believe Dren could conform to human society... that's simply because it IS the alpha. It's clearly superior to humans in terms of physical abilities, and had the mental ability to be able to surpass humans. There was simply no reason for it to follow man. Man did start out as cave men. They learnt to work together to increased their survivability, and learnt to trade and socialize to improve their way of life eventually. Yes, Dren can also learn to live with humans, but there's really no benefit to that, therefor, it didn't want to. Instead it chose to follow its natural instinct, and that was to be the alpha male; and it proceeded to dominate everything in its immediate vicinity. I would say that that was shortsighted, as he really could have done a lot better for himself if he had thought and planned a lot more.
On further thought, if I follow this line of thought, I believe that IF the couple had treated Dren more like a normal human being, it may have been more inclined to be less aggressive, learn, and figure things out. Which may have brought about the Dren masterrace ending.
On further thought, if I follow this line of thought, I believe that IF the couple had treated Dren more like a normal human being, it may have been more inclined to be less aggressive, learn, and figure things out. Which may have brought about the Dren masterrace ending.
You see, this is where I was going. Or at least in the ballpark. And all I said was that Dren showed human qualities. Not that she was human or could be a part of human society or any of that stuff.