LOVE what you've said especially in NUMBER 5 about MARE using the BEER BOTTLE to get some DNA off of it!!!
Also LOVE the theory that his brother JOHN would be willing to take in ERIN's son because he might be the father of it. But IF one of those 2 brothers (who are also both ERIN's UNCLES) were the father would DNA be able to tell which one of them had fathered her child???
Here's a REVIEW I've just read that was not happy about what's happened in the story we've been fed and my thoughts about what they've said:
https://decider.com/2021/05/17/mare-of-easttown-episode-5-recap/
Lori spots John telling a distraught-looking Ryan that some unknown thing should remain “our secret,” and given the subject matter of this show—including the strong suggestion in this very episode that John’s brother Billy molested their slain niece Erin, not to mention all the business with “Deacon” Mark and his activity at his prior parish—one’s mind leaps instantly to the idea that Ryan is being molested by his father.
But no, as we learn after a painfully long time thanks to a comment by Lori while asking Ryan what he was talking about—”Is it with the same woman as before?”—it’s an affair he’s being asked to cover up by his dad. It was only a feint, a head-fake in the direction of the unspeakable crime of child sexual abuse. Why on earth would you pull a trick like that on your audience? Doesn’t it trivialize the crime?
Which makes the situation Stll Another "FALSE LEAD" like we had before when we were MISLEAD to think Mare's former hubby FRANK might be the father of ERIN's child.
And the ANSWER to the reason why you PULL a TRICK like that is because this is a DETECTIVE STORY and that's what DETECTIVE stories are famous for doing to you. Showing you characters and making you think they might be the KILLER only to FOOL you by having someone else be the murderer.
>>And I haven’t even mentioned the fact that the serial killer turns out to be no one we’ve met or spent time with, let alone suspected, just some complete rando.
This is the SAME kind of thing as happened in S1 of HBO's TRUE DETECTIVE when the KILLER turns out to be the guy who MOWED the LAWN, (someone that we'd only seen VERY BRIEFLY before for about ONE SECOND) yet most FANS of that STORY still LOVED IT anyhow.
So the producers/writers must be thinking why not try it again???
>>In the closed narrative ecosystem of a murder mystery, this feels like a cheap cheat.
That's the same way as I felt about the ENDING of S1 of HBO's TRUE DETECTIVE.
But apparently this KIDNAPPER also isn't the one who KILLED ERIN???
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Who (5146)
4 years ago
I hated the lawn mower guy ending to TD. It basically turned the whole show into one giant red herring, bait and switch waste of time. These things are much more satisfying when the culprit is in the mix of suspects or at least one of the characters that are part of the central story. Last night’s broken down bar owner being the kidnapper/rapist/captor of those girls was a lawn mower guy moment. Sticking some rando perp in the story like that was a let down. The only purpose it serves is to make Mare a hero and give reason to put her back on the original case.
The adultry story with Mare’s friend Lori’s household seems like an interesting turn here. Lori’s son beating the heck out of that jerk with a cafeteria tray also seems relevant. That kid seems deeply affected by his father’s affair. He has a vicious and violent temper too. His uncle acting guilty may suggest he is in on the crime or the cover up too. Those two guys were quick to rush over with Mare to Erin’s house to break the news of her death to the father. Were they there to comfort the Dad or steer Mare away from some evidence?
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joi2049 (5625)
4 years ago
Like the case is with you, I also HATED the ENDING of S1 of TD too WHO. And I also HATED the way that they had the younger WILLIAM character turn out to be the OLDER "MAN in BLACK" character in HBO's version of "WESTWORLD," but I also still LOVED the rest of that story (whereas the ending of TD completely RUINED the rest of that story for me).
As for MARE being the HERO, I'm also thinking the reason why her boss puts her back on the case again is so COLIN's mom can't SUE her or the rest of the POLICE DEPT for the WRONGFUL death of her son who had someone with him PRETENDING to still be a DETECTIVE on the case when she was not. So putting her back to work again might be a way to try to COVER that UP???
Because just like the case was with COLIN not being the one who figured out that other case that made him a HERO, MARE didn't figure out this case either (which was figured out by the prostitute who noticed that the guy who attacked her smoked WINSTON's and wrote down the LICENSE plate of the BLUE VAN).
Lori's son RYAN BEATING the CRAP out of the BULLY reminds one of BRIANNA beating up ERIN. And it's also CURIOUS that his sister with DOWN's SYNDROME told MARE way back in EP. 1 that she wasn't being BULLIED at school. So did she LIE to MARE or is this something that's recently started happening to her???
The 2 guys who RUSHED over to help break the news to Erin's father were related to ERIN. One of them (or maybe both of them) are her dad's brother(s). The other one might be a COUSIN, but it's hard to tell with our not having met them enough times to know the connection. Mare briefly mentioned the connection before, but can't recall exactly what she said now. The reason why she asked them to be there to help her was probably also due to the TEMPER that Erin's father has. And that TEMPER may also be something that RUNS in the FAMILY.
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jekporkins (1985)
4 years ago
@Who I dunno if this is what you're saying but what if the son is the killer and the dad is covering up for it? Say, the son catches the dad with Erin and kills her in a fit of rage and the rest is covering up? Sounds far-fetched, I know...
Man, I love a good murder mystery...
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joi2049 (5625)
4 years ago
Could a kid that young be good enough to put a bullet into Erin's brain???
And isn't the kid's father also suppose to be ERIN's UNCLE???
Because he's also her father's brother???
That HEAD WOUND still didn't look like a BULLET WOUND to me.
Because wouldn't a bullet hole be a little hole in the front and then blow out the back part of the head???
Gunshot Wound to the Head - ePainAssist
https://www.epainassist.com/personal-injury/gunshot-wound/head-trauma
But what we see is some kind of a "LONG ENLONGATED LOOKING" head wound right above her eye brow area instead of seeing a tiny bullet hole there???
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kim0512 (3)
4 years ago
I don’t think they are her uncles; I believe John and Billy are Kenny’s cousins, so that would make them Erin’s cousins once removed. I think it’s looking like Billy could be the father, but I don’t see him as the murderer, at least not yet. This show has a lot of twists and turns do you never know!
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joi2049 (5625)
4 years ago
Yes I vaguely recall Mare saying something about cousins, and if Erin was underaged, that could also mean Billy's a child molester as well (which could mean jail time for both him and Erin's father).
I'm also thinking Dylan had something to do with Erin's death, and that with Katie being found, that will make Dylan think he's gotten away with it (because he'll think the cops will assume the kidnapper killed Erin).
And if he thinks he's gotten away with the murder of ERIN, that might also explain the reason why he's mistreating JESS in the PREVIEW CLIP.
And whatever JESS turns over to the cops (the page that she rips out of Erin's journal before Dylan burns it), must also be something really bad for Dylan to behave that way towards her. Because MARE must also mention something to him about what's in that journal after Jess turns it over to the cops.
And if he thinks he's gotten away with killing ERIN, what's to stop him from killing JESS???
Hopefully she'll be able to TEXT as fast as we saw MARE doing after she shot and killed the kidnapper. That way MARE (or someone) can also arrive before DYLAN murders JESS.
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