It's all because of Nolan and WB being impatient

I agree with all of that. I think they should have started with more solo movies. If we don't know Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman, then make us learn to like them with a good trilogy for each of them. Marvel was able to make Iron Man, Thor, Doctor Strange, Ant-Man and Guardians household names. They even saved Hulk and made him likeable again. I have no doubt Black Panther and Captain Marvel will get trilogies, and still be critically and commercially successful. I can't say the same for DCEU - they can't even do one trilogy.

DCEU was doing okay with Man of Steel but then they just stopped there and did the weird BvS mashup. The other problem was that Man of Steel cost way too much and the profits for WB weren't what they wanted, which probably made them introduce Batman too soon.

Nolan's trilogy isn't awesome. It has aged terribly, with its mediocre Chicago Batman and cheesy jokes. Aesthetically, he ruined everything.

"And WB think it's still a good formula to make DCEU as dark and serious as possible. "

really? i find most of the DC films to be flawed, but where do you see dark and serious? superman was a serious attempt at the subject matter, but dark? suicide squad was neither. bvs was like a bubblegum version of nolan's vision.

everywhere i read "oh, but dc is dark and gritty". where? if we were talking dark horse or image i would agree, but dc? if they had balls, they would turn "dark nights: metal" into a movie. it's time for a "judge death" movie anyway. ;) (i hope someone gets that last part)

"Why didn't WB start DCEU by making individual movie one hero at the time? Like that Wonder Woman movie which is good. And reintroduce Batman just like what Marvel-Sony did with Spider-Man in Homecoming, we don't have to see Bruce parents's death again like we don't have to see Uncle Ben's death again."

greed. they somehow think that this is a race and with that attitude they can only lose.

remember, we are talking about the studio that just released a "superman and doctor manhattan" issue.

IMHO, the problem is that they just don't get that Batman and Superman are totally different types of characters that really should never co-exist outside of comics (and even there, it's dicey). Batman should always be in the grim variation of the real world that Burton and Nolan gave us. Exaggerated but not fantastical. Superman (and Wonder Woman and Aquaman and The Flash) should ONLY exist in the fantastical version of our world where you can look at these god-like beings and not be pulled out of it. It's like our world is the center of the scale and Batman (or crimefighters) should be on one end and Superman (or superheroes) should be on the other.

To parallel this with Marvel, while I sincerely hope they get the FF back from Fox, they should never try and get the X-Men back. What makes X-Men work just doesn't make sense in a world where they co-exist with the Hulk and Thor and all that. Keep them separate.

Nolan had little to do with it. They are only using his name for recognition. He is like the only mainstream director I'd argue since Spielberg that has a big enough name to sell the movie without even knowing whose in them.

Nolans batman lived in a world with out the other DC characters so its not compatible with the justice league. Nolans batman didn't involve the near supernatural world that exists with superman and wonder woman since batmans world is more realistic. :( What a hard spot for WB to be in since they wanted a justice league like the avengers.

The reason they didn't go with individual films first is for multiple reasons and not just Thor, Captain America: the first avenger and Iron Man 2 felt like a slogfest at the time because we wanted the Avengers film.

But firstly JL is in effect a rehash of of the Justice league:Origin Swapping Aquaman for Shazam and Steppenwolf for Darkseid.

In that story Cyborg's origin and link to the mother boxes is covered in that story. Him having an individual film before that would be basically him and his father not getting on because he wants to play football and his father wants him to go to college and use his brain. That is a lifetime film not a superhero one.

From what we have heard Aquaman's film will be a rehash of the Justice League: Throne of Atlantis, where Arthur fights his brother for the throne. The Justice League needs to be formed for that.

And most importantly if they gave the Flash his individual film first they wouldn't have the ability to mega course correct with everything. And I'm meaning not just in tone but after that we can have a new Batman, Superman, and everyone else and DC can simply go this universe has gone through Flashpoint. Just like Marvel is going to be able to point to 'reality' stone after Avengers 4 if they decide they no longer want to pay RDJ the GDP of a small nation anymore but still have Iron man.

But having the Flash's individual film being Flashpoint means that Barry has to be immature enough to think his idea that him saving his mother is the best idea ever. Something if we have him in a couple of films before hand would he wouldn't have any excuse to be.