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How Reaper would have ended, straight from the creators


Im so glad someone finally asked them.

http://www.cliqueclack.com/tv/2010/02/01/how-reaper-would-have-ended-s traight-from-the-creators/2/

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I just finished reading the article, found it interesting. Now we can all stop speculating on what would have happened.

Fun tidbit that James Marsters had also auditioned for the devil role besides Anthony Stewart Head (I had already that ASH had tried out for the part).

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Man, thanks for this. Probably not going to happen, but I hope they could make a movie or tie it up with a comic. I hate these good arching stories that canceled after the second season, "Carnivale" anyone?

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The link seems to be dead. Can anyone give me the gist of it?

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I found the gist of it here: http://reaperdmv.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=othercast&; thread=293&page=1#9322.

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No, it's good again.

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The article was really good.

Just in case it gets taken down again, I just want to quote one portion:

"It would have been a happy ending — he would have gotten the girl and he would have gotten out of his deal with the devil, and we would have found a way to get there."

I really prefer happy endings and it makes me even more disappointed they didn't get a chance to wrap up the series with a 3rd season.

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So, Sam was a freakin' Nephilim (following the one definition that they were the hybrid offspring of fallen angels and human women). That's nothing special. In fact, it would mean that he should have ended up evil.

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Ok so exactly would have it ended? I read all of it, and thought it would be simpler with this is how it would have ended.

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The only detail about the very end is Sam gets out of his deal (presumably Andi too) and they all live happily ever after.




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So, Sam was a freakin' Nephilim (following the one definition that they were the hybrid offspring of fallen angels and human women).


Nope. Nephilim refers only to the children of Angels & humans, not "fallen" angels or demons. There's never been a historical or biblical account of a demon mating with a human and producing offspring. Not even a name for such a thing.

The only example that even comes close is the anti-christ's parentage, but that still doesn't involve a human (Satan impregnates a jackal, if I recall correctly, and the baby appears human, and is raised as human, by humans).

That's nothing special.


I'd sure say a living, breathing Nephilim in modern society would indeed be special. :) (Supposedly that hasn't happened for about 10000 years) But still, since Sam isn't one, that wouldn't apply. Now, being half-human, half-demon, that would be even more "special," after a fashion. Within the cosmology of the tv series, he's a completely unique being.

In fact, it would mean that he should have ended up evil.


As a half-demon, half-human, I'd say it was a 50/50 shot, just like anyone else (which is pretty much what the creators were saying was the point of the series). Had he been a Nephilim, I'd still say it wasn't a guarantee. The stories don't say all of them were like that, just that it was a common outcome for beings with that much power. The offspring were still mortals, but had immense power inherited from their immortal parent. I could easily see many of them, in the harsh reality of that time period, ultimately embracing and abusing the one thing that gave them control over their own lives (and, sadly, others). But who's to say some of the legendary mythological characters of fiction (Hercules, etc) weren't originally inspired by the few that were actually noble and moral?

The only detail about the very end is Sam gets out of his deal (presumably Andi too) and they all live happily ever after.


Yeah, the "Sam gets the girl" line, referring to the ending, pretty much confirms that Andi gets her soul back, too. It was inevitable that that would be the outcome, but it's still nice to hear the writers say it. :)

Y'know, with as many liberties as this show took with theology and scripture, I found that I could forgive most of it simply due to what is probably my favorite line from the show. It was in the pilot, where Sam first meets the Devil, and he tells Sam that he already knows what will happen in the end, that he (the Devil) will ultimately lose, but that's what's supposed to happen, and he's just playing his role. I thought that was very cool of the writers to include.






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Sadly, the writers made it incredibly clear in various interviews that (and I'm paraphrasing here) it's basically OK for them to do all the "Devil" stuff, but they actively avoided mentioning or utilizing God. The gist of it seemed to be that Devil-related material wasn't bothersome to audiences, but any attempt to include God or overt religion would upset a lot of people, so they avoided it for the most part (a few exceptions were seen, but always done in a somewhat farcical manner).

The focused exclusion of God, but the lackadaisical tolerance of any other deity or religion on television shows has pretty much become the elephant in the room that nobody wants to admit they can see.

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@The-Kurgan I agree..100% about the exclusion of God.I think the story could have been better with God but thats just me.lol

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Good post, but Sam wasnt unique, he had a younger brother, didnt he? I know he barely turned up but he was around in the beginning.

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Ah, the seldom seen brother! Although we never learned much about him (or maybe something was said that I've forgotten about), I think it's safe to say he either wasn't Sam's actual brother by blood, or he was a half-brother. The simple fact of the Devil's lack of interest in him tells us he's not the threat that Sam was. We'll have to let our imaginations fill-in the blanks as to why that was. The most obvious explanation, and in fact the only one that is really possible with what we now know, is that Sam's brother has to have had a different biological father.


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I'm pretty sure if ther show continues we would never have seen him again, and by the big reveal of Sams real lineage, it wouldnt be an issue.

Shame this show was cancelled, it was a fun show.

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You're taking this all way too seriously.

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Just sawy the last ep. And i can safe say that i still really HATE when they don't give a series a "Heads up" before they cancel the show. I hate shows that end without an end. Sure they published how the serie would have continued and ended but don't really help. I feel bad for Andi and kinda angry at "Steve" :)

I liked the show, would love to see a "Reaper" movie.

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Sam not being the spawn of the devil is so lame.

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i prefer him being the son of the devil and I really wish thye would have wrapped up the series by just having him beat the Devil in Quarters instead of cliffhanging. I know the creators didn't get enough notice to do it this way but I would have liked it.

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I disagree Steve. It wouldn't have made any sense if he was the Devil's son because they already forshadowed that he wasn't. Also it makes a lot more sense that the Devil would lie to him and make him believe he was.

I'm just sad I didn't get to see the story play out. By the second season the writers were really in the zone.

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I'm only up to episode 11 of the first season which I'm watching as a free download, but I had my own idea on how the thing might have ended. I was thinking maybe the devil was looking to retire and was testing Sam to see if he had the integrity to take over the responsibilities of hell - kinda like Willy Wonka. You can't just have any d-bag take over the store. Then I assume maybe god would convince Sam it's a neccesary thing or something and he accepts. Something along those lines. It would explain why he spends so much time with Sam each week. Maybe I love the ending of Willy Wonka too much.

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Keep watching, you are right at the point (episode 10 - 11) in the series when the show really hit its stride. After they introduced Tony and Steve, the plotline changed somewhat and the stories really got more interesting.

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I finished watching both seasons and it got a lot better towards the end. Sometimes I couldn't get over the Sock/Jack Black thing but otherwise everybody was solid and a nice flow developed. Oddly enough Ben became the emotional core of the show.

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^ this.

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Well, that answers a question that I had: Sam's parents sold their unborn son's soul to the devil, but since Sam was supposedly son of the Devil, then Sam wasn't *their* son, ergo the contract was null and void.

Thanks for the link.

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I am sorry, did I miss something: Is it explained why Steve broke Sam's hand? Because that was the fact that mad me angry they ended the series short.

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Remember that Andi got drunk and had sex with Sam. My theory is that Steve broke Sam's hand as a favor to both Sam and Andi. Why? Because the Devil can't take the soul of the unborn and it was an all or nothing deal. Since the devil can't take the soul of their unborn child, he can't take any of their souls.



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But Sam's brother *was* their son. Is his disappearance related to the whole soul stealing?

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"As for Sam and the question of who his father really was, this one’s a doozy: “If you remember, Dad wasn’t dead. And there was a whole reason why he wasn’t dead. Basically, the whole premise that never actually had the chance to come out was the idea that Dad was a demon, who made a deal with the Devil. He fell in love with Sam’s mom and wanted to marry her. So the deal was, fine, you’re not a demon anymore. He was never fully human, either, which is why you can’t kill him. So, in the pilot, when he said he was really sick and made a deal with the Devil, he wasn’t 100% lying nor 100% telling the truth. And this is the reason why Sam is special: Sam is part human, part demon. Boom.”

Wow, that's so completely retarded. Boom? So that's your million-dollar idea?

I'm almost glad the show didn't continue, if that was their "big twist" I probably would have thrown a remote through the screen.

Sam's *already* half-human, half-demon because he's supposed to be the Devil's son. Changing it up so he's half-human, half-demon but just with a lesser demon as a father (his bio-Dad) changes nothing.

If you want to mess with his lineage at least pick something remotely interesting or shocking. His mother could have been an angel, for instance, and while the Devil was spreading his seed to try to create an Antichrist, Heaven was trying to counter it by giving him angel blood as well.

Then it becomes something deeper, like the whole war between Heaven and Hell being played out within one individual, which would explain why both sides seem to consider him to be so important.

And forgetting all that for the moment, why in the world would the Devil ever make a *deal* with a demon? He already has their eternal soul, he already has them stuck in Hell helpless to do anything but his bidding forever. It's clear in the show the Devil doesn't make a deal unless he's getting something really amazing out of it, and if you change it so the Devil isn't Sam's father, then the Devil got absolutely nothing out of the deal with Sam's original father.

So basically the Devil, who recruits bounty hunters to drag demons back to Hell, gave one a get out of jail free card, eternal life, and a family and normal life and in return gets... nothing. Sense... this makes none.

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