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Absolutely stupid ''defence'' of Winterfell.

posted 2 years ago by Hybrid66 (1516)
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Enemy: A ceaseless and colossal tidal wave of undead, almost unstoppable beings. No pity, mercy and very quick moving.

Strengths: Sheer massive numbers, speed, regeneration.
Weakness: Fire, stupidity and decapitation.

Suggestions:- Use the enemy's huge numbers against them.
- Put all of your army, and famed warriors, INSIDE the high castle walls, bedecked with umpteen steel barbs, flames and spikes. Fire naptha from ballistas and trebuchets from inside the courtyard, with squadrons of archers etc shooting concentrated fire from along the wall tops and courtyard.
- Above should be both dragons, scouting for the Night king and laying swathes of fire upon his army.
- For hundreds of metres in front of the castle dig a massive series of adjacent, deep lines of pits (hidden behind run-ups and sheer drops) with false runways, with barbed spikes and fire.
- Keep your elite Dothraki cavalry around either side of the castle ready to charge later on if/when needed

What DID happen:
- 90% of the army stand overexposed outside of the impregnable stone walls
- Cavalry charged blindly and illogically against a limitless enemy at the start, not during later stages as designed.
- No trebuchets or castle defences deployed.
- about one or two firepits, not very deep, which almost trapped the allies.

[–] Seperatrix (1220) 2 years ago

You're being more than charitable with the use of the word "stupid."

[–] Otter (24464) 2 years ago

The problem with staying inside the castle walls, is that hordes of the undead can simply climb onto each other and breach the walls. In several places. But the problem with meeting them in the field, is that they can send the kind of instant-death winds that Jon saw at Hardhome, and destroy your army in seconds!

So realistically, there's no real way to win, except dragons. Lots of dragons.

[–] spurtle467 (1547) 2 years ago

The weird thing is they tried to go with 'good cinema' over logic for The Long Night but we couldn't even see what was going on for 90% of the time anyway.

[–] LoveCatsHateDogs (1942) 2 years ago

It didn't matter because they had Super Arya. They just did all that shit as a distraction so Super Arya could wait for the right moment to literally fly out of the fucking sky and kill the Night King like it was nothing.

[–] Joogle83 (4473) 2 years ago

so Super Iron Man can kill Thanos but No Super Arya or Super Rey Skywalker cant kill The Night King or The Reborn Emperor your logic doesnt make sense because "Wahman"

[–] LoveCatsHateDogs (1942) 2 years ago

So you are cool with superpowers flying Arya then.

OK.

Also, how the fuck did you turn this into a sexism thing?

P.S I have never watched a single Avengers movie.

[–] RoboReCop (3302) 2 years ago

As of date, Rey has not provided any legal adoption or marital records proving she's a Skywalker. What Ms. Rey Palpatine has done, by taking on the sir name of Skywalker, is an act of stolen valor of sorts.

[–] stickman38 (3347) a year ago

There's always a couple of problems with staying inside your fortification/castle.

Biggest issue is probably the fact that the enemy can cut off your supplies. You can simply starve to death inside the walls. Although, Winterfell supposedly has secret entrances/exits. But still, you need at least 6 months supply of food and water if you're going to hunker down.

Other issue is that it's a simple target. If you can smash the walls, you can get in. Facing hordes of white-walkers presents a plethora of problems too. As mentioned before, they can breach the walls without too many issues.

I suppose what they did wasn't horrible. But it wasn't well thought-out. But either way, it made for a pretty intense battle scene. Too bad they pissed away the Dothraki cavalry so soon. Such a waste, but at least they came back in the next episode. lol...

[–] Bucky (280) a year ago

Everyone was saved, with some exceptions because of plot armor and bad writing.

[–] RoboReCop (3302) a year ago

I expected the 'war', I mean battle, to be more complex and grander than what was produced.