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Ending , the 180º turn by the Queen of Dragons

posted 2 years ago by yvesyves (681)
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For me the Queen of Dragons at the end switched totally because in a very very short time period she was traumatized by:

The death of her 2 children (dragons)
The death of her most loyal follower Jorah Mormont (who she probably oved and who loved her purely and unlimitedly)
The death of Missandei her loyal assistant and follower

After that she went from having an "ideology" and "theory" of idealistic kindness and humanism which was only an ideology (like words on paper, something virtual) to the actual gruesome reality of the real world; like a 6 year old who thinks everyone is nice and equal and then when he/she grows up he/she realizes it's absolutely not the case; struck by reality in opposition to idealism and theory.

[–] Stig2k (69) 2 years ago

I used to feel the same. Then we went back and rewatched the whole thing and on the second viewing it's much easier to see how she spends many seasons losing her seelf to her inevitable true nature. She was always almost as bat-shit crazy as her father.

[–] CoolWaters (8) 2 years ago

This ^^^

She was a power hungry crazy person. Seriously, I marathoned it all again, back to back and its much easier to see.

[–] elmacho (979) 6 months ago

yes, just rewatched. she was pretty much evil/power hungry they whole show. The audience wanted her to be good so they created this idealization of her and thought that Jon could bring out her good. But once she knew that he had the rightful claim to the throne it was all over.

[–] SemiAnimus (2353) 6 months ago

I'm with you that, especially after a rewatch, it's apparent that Daenerys had those qualities from the start. The sudden 180 turn is more a symptom of being rushed and the bad writing that compromised the last few seasons of the show in general and fell short of the development and screen time that matters like the white walkers deserved.

[–] Gd5150 (11746) a month ago

The poor writing accentuates the appearance of the dragon queen making a 180.

Season 8 felt like it was written with a sledgehammer.

There is no nuance with the battle of the dead. 100k dead vs 5,000. There almost no possible way to win that without in-depth strategy. They barely discuss any tactics. Just Arya flying out of the clouds at the end like magic. At least have her use a face of a dead or something clever.

Then Cersei killing Missandei. There was no reason given to do this. Other than oh she’s a bitch. Just lazy writing.

[–] tvfan (12729) 2 years ago

Considering that almost throughout the entire series, they would mention the insanity of her father and the strong possibility that it was passed down to her, combined with her traumas; then it was no surprise the writers gave her a 180.

[–] Seperatrix (1213) 2 years ago

She was incapable of knowing the "reality of the real world" only after the death of her two children and a couple of friends/allies?

The woman who was married off by her brother and raped by her husband?
The woman that was nearly imprisoned for life in a tower by a consort of wizards?
The woman that was looked down upon by everyone she came in contact with (save for those she liberated)?

I think she had a pretty good idea of reality by the time the loss of her children and friends rolled around.

It's been made clear by the author that the intention was to have her become a maniacal dictator after coming into power over a long story arc. I suppose it might have worked on the show had they taken more time with it. Going back and watching the series as it stands . . . not so much. She displayed the same dogged determinism every other would-be claimant to the throne displayed -- only with a wish to break the wheel and be there for the helpless.

To show her losing her mind suddenly and murdering women and children, en masse, throughout the city just doesn't fit.

[–] chilone (17857) 2 years ago

As time progressed, her ego became unmanageable. That was her downfall.

[–] Seperatrix (1213) 2 years ago

I don't know that unmanageable egos necessarily lead to indiscriminately murdering countless women and children.

And I say this having known people in real life with seemingly unmanageable egos.

[–] chilone (17857) 2 years ago

Yeah, but they didn't have dragons! 😜

[–] AmeriGirl26 (14379) a month ago

It's not that she did a 180-degree turn in her personality at the end that bothers people. Everyone knew that she would eventually fall to the madness that runs through her inbred family. What pisses people off, is how badly it's presented. She does it so fast that it makes no sense, even with George R.R. Martin Logic.

It would have made far more sense for the series to have lasted at least 3 more seasons to show her slow descent into madness, and to show good reasons behind it. Making her go crazy on a dime and murder people out of the blue makes no sense to the character at all. Not to mention killing off two of her dragons just to "make things happen" in the series is dumb. In fact, one of them died in the most ridiculous way possible.

It also reveals several ugly things about the dipshit show-runners:

- they are complete idiots
- they are absolutely horrible at writing tv scripts themselves--not a creative bone in their bodies
- relating to the above, they didn't even plan out what to do when they ran out of source material with George's books, not even when he spoiled his own series' ending notes for them (don't deny it, you know he gave away story ideas to them that he was gonna use in his own books)
- they apparently were too busy with "boats and hoe's" to sit down and write some proper scripts for the show, as eyewitnesses said later
- they were greedy and impatient, ready to end the series just so they could move on to "Star Wars" and rake in the big bucks
- they apparently did very little in the way of understanding the lore of this franchise, despite working on it for 6 years, and it shows after Season 6, because the quality of the story-writing goes downhill very quickly

So basically, there's a reason their names have been "Mud" in both the industry and mainstream America for the past 6 years.

[–] Keelai (34853) a month ago

"She was never stable. She was always a psychopath and narcissist like her brother, but we only began to see it as she gained more power. If you watch early episodes, it's obvious in some of her behavior. She was always mercilessly killing people, even when begged not to, and she expected to be worshiped and adored. Plus no reaction to the grisly deaths of her brother and advisor whom she condemned to death and others. She always believed she was entitled to be queen, a narcissist can be vengeful since they demand 100% loyalty.

"show her slow descent into madness"

In reality, it can happen very fast.

And she was losing control under stressful conditions. Death of her close friend/advisor, betrayal of another, warfare, and death of her dragons which were like her children are more than enough to do it.