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A Little Justice, please

posted 3 years ago by dobie (1)
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I’m not including, or even addressing season 8 in this post. It’s too painful to relive‼️
Barring season 8, I loved GOT. There weren’t enough episodes in each season and there was too much time in between seasons.
Anyhow, there are a couple of things I really wanted to see. And I think they could have been worked in.

First off, I REALLY wanted Catelyn Stark to find out that Jon Snow was Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryan’s son. And, since they were married, not only was he not a bastard, he was royalty. I wasn’t a fan of Catelyn’s, but couldn’t they have just kept her alive in the background somewhere so she could eat her words?
Jon deserved that. Hell, since I felt all the pain with him, I deserved that!

Another similar situation. Samwell Tarly.
Couldn’t his father have stayed alive long enough to find out what an important person his son Samwell becomes? Much more important than any other Tarly has ever been.
Just a little justice.

I read the books. Neither of these things happen there either. But they didn’t follow the books on half of the show.
Seeing these two things would have been sooo satisfying.
Don’t you think?

[–] contreras (470) 3 years ago

I will answer to injustice with JUSTICE

[–] Otter (24464) 3 years ago

One of the points of the show was that justice is damn scarce in a lawless or nearly lawless society, like the England of the late 1400 that inspired the show. The story was really, at its heart, about one just man living in an unjust society, and how he received no justice himself, but he left a litter of children that had been brought up to believe in justice, in opposition to a society where the rule was "every armed man for himself".

Putting too much justice into the show would have ruined the author's intent.

[–] Quasimodo (16388) 3 years ago

Yes GRRM wrote a series where there was no justice and where brutality and depravity were the order of the day. Even the prophecies turned out to be bullshit. I suppose it was only fitting that the ending was a pile of manure. Should have seen it coming.

[–] Otter (24464) 3 years ago

There's been a rumor that the dickwads who ran the show changed the ending that GRRM gave him on his famous outline, and he's contractually unable to complain or do anything except finish the books.

But GRRM did include enough justice in the show to keep the audience reading, like Joffrey and Ramsay being taken down. If the story had been too true to life, and the biggest brute with the biggest sword just kept killing until he was the last villain left standing, then nobody would have kept reading. All good storytelling has to catch the right balance of suspense, realist, and satisfaction, it needs a combination to really please the reader or viewer. And the show and the books had that, at least at first...

[–] Quasimodo (16388) 3 years ago

To me the revenge on Joffrey and Ramsay was just more depravity and even worse in a way in that it enticed the reader to go down to their level. Princess Shireen was really the only pure character in the series and GRRM so the rumour goes will burn her alive as well if he ever publishes another ASOIAF book. In retrospect I think the books and the TV show are morally reprehensible.

[–] Otter (24464) 3 years ago

The murder of Joffrey wasn't satisfying when it happened, because he learned nothing from it, but finding the real mastermind and their motivation WAS satisfying. And I thought the execution of Ramsay was great entertainment, the SOB went down fighting with the only weapon he had left (his mouth), and knew exactly why he was facing a terrible but just revenge.

Quite frankly, I don't care about the depravity or morality of the show, because obviously nobody would invest years in following the show if they didn't have a high tolerance for nastiness - I view it purely as entertainment and judge it as such. Anyone who models any real-life behavior on "GoT" is 100 kinds of fool, and hopefully the fact that the show was aimed strictly at an adult audience would keep away anyone immature enough to take it too seriously.

[–] Quasimodo (16388) 3 years ago

Yes but a steaming pile of shit no matter how artfully piled up and cunningly sculpted is still a steaming pile of shit.

[–] Otter (24464) 3 years ago

Why the hell did you watch a show you disapprove of so much? Do you enjoy hating things and feeling superior?

If so, I can't recommend the Star Wars and DC fandoms highly enough.

[–] asom (6834) 3 years ago

How can anyone base a book on real life instances and cultures.

[–] asom (6834) 3 years ago

The point of the books is not justice. Is the harsh reality of real life, unjust and unfair.