We are told that winters in GoT last for many years, even before the night king’s arrival. And we are hit over the head over and over about winter coming. But it didn’t. Maybe a few days of snow, which we all get.
The mystery of ‘winter’ will always be a mystery.
Did they say that the winter was over? I recall seeing a small sprout of green when Jon and co. were going north of the Wall, but I don't know if that was intended to mean that winter was through.
shareI’m sure it did yes. But winter never even arrived in the show. In the books it’s implied that it’s a terrible thing and towns were locked down for years trying to stay alive. It was one of the biggest mysteries, i couldn’t wait to see what winter in Westeros was like.
It just got ignored.
I don't think every winter was that bad, only some. After watching Old Nan telling Bran the story about The Long Night in season 1, I thought that was the kind of winter they were in for -- years of total darkness, snows 100 feet high, etc. and that was the reason the Night King had chosen this time to make his move.
shareThat’s a fair comment yeah.
shareI always interpreted "winter is coming" to primarily be a metaphor for the showdown with the Night King.
shareWinters were an actual thing that lasted for years. Most of the older characters experienced the last one.
shareI know, but what I'm saying is that I have always thought the tagline "winter is coming" to primarily be a euphemism for the fight with the Night King. The Night King slowly creeping toward the wall was the slow creep of winter's onslaught.
Winter did come and was defeated.
That’s fair but nobody knew a Night King existed when they were saying winter is coming in season 1
shareWell the writers did.
shareThe Stark characters had been saying it for centuries it was their motto.
shareI know.
shareSo how was it a comment on the Night King that they never knew about when they had been using it for centuries?
shareI'm saying that as a marketing tool, I've always interpreted it the coming battle with the Night King. He is winter incarnate--an actual ice man--and he's literally coming. He's on the way, headed toward the world of men, to wreak havoc.
I'm surprised you never made the same connection. I thought most people did.
There is a theory that the original message of Stark words, along with "The North remembers" and "There must always be a Stark in Winterfell" have been lost. According to it, Winter is the Night King and company; and when the Long Night ended all those millennia ago, it was at Winterfell. Related to it is the theory that the crypts at Winterfell were designed so that the dead would always be there to protect the people (the Starks), and that when Winter came, they would rise in defense of Winterfell. But they would only do so if the castle's true ruling family was there. This was what the North was actually supposed to remember, and why there must always be a Stark at Winterfell.
There's more evidence of this in the books -- the climate of the crypts, Bran seeing something leave the castle when he and Rickon leave, the weather turning nasty once there are no longer any Starks at Winterfell. They don't really touch on this in the show.
I think that was snow in Kings Landing in the finale and not ash, so winter had arrived, and I guess it arrives whether there is a Night King or not.
shareIf it was snow then great. But considering a Dream of Spring is supposed to be the last book, they would all be battling during the actual winter.
shareI assume the title "A Dream of Spring" more refers to the hope for better times rather than to actual seasons.
shareYou assume wrong sir/madam. The Winds of Winter is going to be the book before it. A Dream of Spring follows it. If he ever finishes them.
What is fact is that the ‘winter’ in the books, never arrives.
So how does that prove that my assumption is wrong?
I’m not saying it is right, if I was sure it’s right, I wouldn’t call it an assumption, but I just don’t see how you disprove it
Because Spring follows Winter.
share*sigh* Let’s stop here, we’re going nowhere.
shareLet’s be honest we saw more winter in the first 2 seasons when Jon went beyond the wall. Winter never came. Winter was never coming.
shareWe saw snow in King’s Landing this finale episode. I guess that happend only in Winter. On the other hand, at the wall it looked like it has always looked.
A while ago, I posted the theory that the winter in Westeros never had been a natural thing, but always was connected to the existence of the White Walkers. Although meanwhile, I’m pretty sure I was wrong on that one, it would explain why the winter now seems to go away before it had really started.
Some are saying it was ash at King’s Landing, some are saying snow. If your Theory is true then Arya ended the whole winter is coming thing with her cheeky little thigh stab manoeuvre and we’ll never experience a real winter. Wasn’t going to watch the prequels but if they begin in a winter i’m in.
shareYes, some people said it, but I’m not one of them. ;-)
To me, it was clearly snow on the ruins.
And my theory… as I’ve said, I don’t quite believe it anymore because they should have at least mentioned it in some way. btw, I came up with the thing because when the CotF created the first White Walker, they were clearly in the North (i.e. north of the wall) and there was no snow around but only green grass.
Yeah poor guy was strapped to a tree what was that about. It was ash at first for sure. Did snow join it?
Either way, Winter is Coming, well it never. Not in a way that we were supposed to fear. Everybody forgot until my post.
Lul. No, we didn't forget.
shareLul ya never mentioned it.
shareIt's been mentioned on Reddit.
shareSaw it here first exclusively brought to you by JB. You probably took my post and redditteted it or whatever you lot do over there.
shareNope. Reddit post is older than yours. But you know that, because you stole your post from Reddit.
Shame.
Evidence? Link a picture.
shareI'll do ya one better.
https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/br0x56/spoilers_winter_never_came/
3 hours ago damn i was so close. Glad they think the same thing, zero winter arrived!
shareWinter could last a short time or an entire lifetime. it was clearly winter. Everyone was wearing winter furs and there was snow on the ground. The South probably has milder winters than the North. It doesn't have to snow in order for it to be winter in the same way it doesn't have to rain for it to be summer.
Since they built up winter so much in the story, they should have thrown in a few blizzards though. Their winters do appear rather wimpy.
No way that’s a total cop-out. Why Dream of Spring if winter is just a chuck-a-coat-on situation. We have winters in real life. I would never go around saying winter is coming, because i’d get sectioned. It was implied winter was this terrible event, and you say a few snowflakes count. Nope.
shareI actually agreed with you. Winters don't have to be harsh in real life, but in the story it was built up so much it should've been shown more harshly especially in Winterfell.
shareExactly what i’m saying, good on you to not make excuses.
shareThat's why they name it winterfell. Winter came and it fell there during the first long night.
shareI thought it was kinda funny how Winter never came to Kings Landing until the very last episode. It must of only snowed right after Dani took over.
During the battle in “The Bells” episode there was no snow at all. Then in the last episode there’s enough snow to cover a dragon. Was it simply so the scene of her walking into the throne room could look like her past “dream sequence”?.. No idea. But looking back at the times of “Winter is coming” almost seems silly now.
yep that’s what i’m talking about.
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