The battle with Cersei for the iron throne will be far more spectacular than the Winterfell battle.
shareThe white walkers were part of the game. They were there to show us how playing the game was futile. That's the whole point.
shareThey have beat the walkers and are still playing the game so it’s not that futile.
shareThat's literally why everyone is pissed off. Their ending made their entire existence irrelevant. They could have been written out of the show entirely and nothing would have changed. That's the point.
shareOK so say the White Walkers won and everybody died. Everybody else’s existence would have been pointless too. Somebody had to lose and i’m glad it was the people i am not rooting for.
shareExcept if it worked the other way around, the moral of the story would be intact: that greed and violent ambition has consequences when you value power over the threat of extinction. The whole point of the story was that all the houses had to stand United against a common enemy instead of fighting each other for frivolous reasons.
As it stands, they didnt even manage to get Cersei onboard. The whole moral is lost.
If everyone died, the moral would be beautifully executed, but because the white walkers died, there is no moral. They have been reduced to "heres a bunch of political strife...oh and heres some extra junk that means nothing on the side".
If they all united in peace to kill the common enemy then they would all live in peace.
Why doesn’t our planet do the same?
Because it’s not realistic.
It doesn't have to be realistic. It just has to be the point that's the moral of the story. There's plenty of morals we learn from grimms or aesop's fairytales no? Do we follow those stories to the letter too? Obviously not, but they make for good storytelling.
What happened here, does not.
It doesn’t have to be realistic. Anyway what is the moral of the story? There is no moral of the story this isn’t a fairytale it’s game of thrones. GRRM has been shocking us from the very beginning and it has happened again.
I imagine everyone was this mad at the red wedding.
Yeah but everyone was mad for a different reason. Because he slaughtered beloved characters. Not like here where everyone is mad because there's no more structure to the story. Sorry, but EVERY story has a moral. Literally. Every si gle work of fiction that has ever been written, has a beginning a muddle and an end. No story in the history of literature is just a bunch of chaotic nonsense for chaos sake. And if that's what this is supposed to be, that doesn't make it smart. It makes it pointless nonsense.
shareNailed it. The moral of the story is that climate change is highly exagerated and basically just a hoax. A teenage girl who trained to be an assassin for a few months could end global warming in one night so stop worrying about muh white walkers. Based.
shareThey brought Dany together with the North. Otherwise it would have been Dany against Cersei, with the North telling them both to leave them the hell alone.
shareYes so Dany and the North vs whatever Cersei has been conjuring up in the meantime. We haven’t seen her for a couple of episodes. She isn’t just sitting there getting pissed on red wine.
shareDany is only with them for now. She's still a tyrant, and she still demands peoe bow to her at every turn. And the obviously didnt manage to get Cersei on their side, so all of it was for nothing. Whoever wins the throne now, the cycle will continue. People will kill for it and there will be no moral. The demise of the white walkers has literally made the entire focus of the story moot. If dany wins, people will try to kill her for the throne. If Cersei wins, people will try to kill for the throne. If jon wins the same thing. None of it matters now because history will repeat itself. But if the white walkers had won, it would have bookended the story perfectly.
shareIsn't the first book called Game of Thrones, but the series called A Song of Ice and Fire? With that in mind it suggests maybe GRR Martin viewed the bigger picture as being the coming together of the walkers (ice) and dragons (fire) or am I thinking too far ahead?
Anyway, I'm still disappointed that they've seemingly done away with the Night King and the white walker story too quickly, in comparison to Cersei and what she's up to. They could always have made it so that the race for the throne was relevant to defeating the Night King in some way.
Yes so GRR Martin might end the books totally differently to the show.
shareYes, and the book series might end completely different than the show.
But other than killing everyone in the north, I‘m not sure how they could have ended it differently or draw it out. I mean, sure, if you have humans fight each other you can have battles and sieges for month - but with the undead? They don’t fear getting killed. Don’t need sleep or food, don’t suffer from PTSD. Even if the living would have killed every wight, the white walkers or night king would just raise the new dead over and over until nobody was left. It would, realistically, be only a matter of hours. Can’t draw that out. And the only way to give the living any chance is to attach the deads „life force“ to a walker and all of them to the original, the night king.
But I‘m sure that if we would be actually in the story, not just viewing it, having felt the fear, desperation, in the days before and during the battle; having lost many many thousands of family, friends, neighbors, fellow wildlings and northerners...I‘m sure that we‘d then say that it was enough. And technically, this last battle was where it all ended. The war against the dead was fought for years by wildlings and then in the last what? 6 years by the man of the nights watch and lately by people south of the wall as well.
This was the show down.
Martin told the show runners how his story is going to end years ago, when it was obvious that his books would not be done in time for the balance of the show. He said something like, “Here is how it is going to end. I don’t care how you get from there to here, as long as you end up here.”
shareThe White Walkers aren't really gone. Bran is bringing them back bigger and better once they finish off Cersei. I have a theory about the spiral symbols used by both the Night King and the Children of the Forest, and the Dire Wolf sigil formed by the undead army as they passed through the Wall.
shareYeah i read your theory, could be true we shall see.
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