Why Swingtown failed


Having just watched the first series of Swingtown and really enjoyed it, I was thinking about why the show never made it to a second series.

I believe the bulk of the reason is this.

Show's numbers are a function, generally, of three things.

1) Quality. No problems there, good music, interesting subject matter, solid performances.
2) Advertising. Having not watched it the first time, I cannt recall an ad for it, but I am sure that being on CBS it was given every chance to be successful by the company.
3) Word of mouth.

This was the killer in my opinion. Swinging is still somewhat taboo, I know a number of couples who do it, but it is not common knowledge. My theory is that Swingtown never generated the kind of numbers it should have (to warrant a second series) because talking about Swingtown around the cooler is almost the same and talking about Swinging. If you watch it and you like it might mean you identify with it or find it attractive and what would people think of you then?

Anyone else think this is a plausible reason why this great show failed after one season?

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Friday night hurt it more than anything else, but all of your points are major contributing factors.

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The quality wasn't terrible, but it wasn't great either. Even actors who I normally like like Jack Davenport didn't put in stellar performances here. Period pieces are always really tricky and I think the setting of the 70s, when much of our culture was really bizarre (check out some of the outfits) didn't make it any easier. The fact that the show seemed to be trying to rock the nostalgia theme kind of hard may have hurt it too. Period shows that have been critical and commercial successes such as Mad Men or The Wonder Years have always been about more than nostalgia. The Wonder Years was primarily a story of Kevin Arnold going from a boy to a teenager. On that level it could appeal to people who had no memory of the sixties, or who had bad memories of it. I think that it also worked because it didn't try to force the time period down our throats or shove it in our faces. There were references of course to current events, and the daughter at least dabbled with the hippy lifestyle (and faced her parents disapproval of it) but the whole show wasn't about "what 60s reference can we throw into the show this week?" Same thing with Mad Men. There are references to current events but it doesn't shove some grand event at us every week. Swingtown seemed to be more like those shows like American Dreams which weren't so succesful and which were more self conscious about their shows taking place at an important time in American history.

The other thing that I think hurt the show was that people just didn't care for the premise. People LIKE sex in their entertainment (for the most part) but the generally don't like their entertainment to be ABOUT sex. Swingtown always had problems because the premise seemed to limited. How can you do full seasons of a show about sexual experimentation? Other shows work sex scenes around other themes and action. Even shows like Gossip Girl or Melrose Place or daytime soaps which are drenched in sex are all primarily about the machinations and schemes of the characters not about who is shacking up with whom. These premises give the creators a framework to hang the sex on. Rahter than the show being all about sex.



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I actually don't agree that the show's premise was "about sex" to the detriment of other issues or dramatic situations. Perhaps the name of the show dissuaded some viewers (particularly conservative ones) but the reason the show was so potentially viable was because it used sexuality and open relationships as a departure point for the characters to discover deeper, more authentic ways of living and knowing themselves. Susan began a journey of creative self discovery and began to question whether she was truly happy in her marriage to Bruce, Janet began working outside the home for the first time and became empowered as more than just a normative housewife, Roger began making plans to break through his mundane existence and do something more meaningful with his life, etc. The building blocks were there for a truly great adult drama that was unafraid of tackling sexuality in an unconventional way. The performances were strong, the set design, costuming and music (while I agree with you Frank, were consistently over the top) were actually fantastic eye candy. If there was any sin on the part of the show that facilitated its downfall, I'll agree with Pipeman, it was the uneven writing. With a little tightening there, and a better time slot, as well as the chance for a fall spot for a second season, I think we could have enjoyed a number of years more of this show. Anyway, I miss it! :)

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I completely agree with soozzip.

And the show was marketed all wrong:

* Viewers who tuned in thinking they would be titillated by a sex-heavy show were sorely disappointed. The "swinging" was such a minor part of the plot line.

* Viewers who stayed away thinking it was an immoral show about sex were mistaken. I reiterate: The "swinging" was such a minor part of the plot line.

As the show evolved, the characters grew and I wanted to know more about them. I'm sad that the show didn't last longer.

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no, despite the ambiguity of the title,
which vaguely it could be argued was a risky choice with little to show for it,

Im not sure that the show really does revolve continually around the sex-obsessed Deckers and their wife/husband-swapping foursomes/threesomes etc activities...when it came, however, the scenes could be mildly confronting even if only for a few moments, perhaps the MMF threesome was a good example of this..
Only one of our three couples is promiscuous, and one is anything but.
The word can have a more general meaning , Swinging 60s, Swinging 60s London, meaning general fun and good times, without necessarily meaning the Deckers and their thing.

the pesky kids WERE both cookie-cutter and nudging really simple-minded as well as cliched..Laurie kept reminding me of Laurie Partridge in name and appearance, and I wonder if she wasnt just a partial rip-off of her...the kids collection may be right for some shows, but maybe werent a perfect fit for this one...I didnt fast forward their scenes, maybe partly in case I missed a good sound-track song while so doing, but Im sure the thought occured.
to be fair, the kids were always going to be difficult writing, and if you did what many would prefer and left them out altogether, well,great for many of us if we prefer to suspend that belief, but,
two of the couples are parents, so, where are the kids ? Do we need to commence a "48 Hours" investigation to look for them?

Probably it was fairly expensive to make,props like cars, costumes , continuity research, etc, etc, even though containing few really big-name cast, was poorly promoted so that it picked up not enough, either,
old 'we were there' viewers,
or
new 'we think that music and clothes and stuff was cool" young ones.

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I agree with jimbo29. The show was probably too racy for a major network. It may have worked on a cable channel.

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I actually liked Swingtown and watched every episode. For me it was a trip back to my high school and young adult years when the world was carefree and blah blah blah.

So naturally I was predisposed to watching it, and enjoyed hearing the music again, seeing the clothes, etc. I don't know how much appeal all of those things would have for someone who had no nostalgia for the period.

Also, although it featured good actors, the scripts were really not outstanding. The characters were a bit cookie cutter. They may have developed over time, and perhaps were even starting to do so by series end. But in terms of writing and character development, let's face it folks, this was no "Six Feet Under".

I think another fatal flaw for Swingtown was the inclusion of the younger characters. After a certain point, I just started fast forwarding through all their scenes. Not JUST because they were young, but because the material invovling them was dull and their delivery sucked.

My two cents.

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I've decided that CBS is the black death to new shows. Seems CBS can't keep new shows on longer than a year lately.

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CBS can't keep shows on the air that aren't about cops or lawyers.


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With the possible exception of CBS being the kiss of death to new programs, I think everyone here has offered valid reasons. (Perhaps the Tiffany Network, the one with the oldest skewing viewer base, was NOT the likeliest home for a show titled "Swingtown.")

PrettySalad really nailed it for me personally. I avoided the show when it was initially broadcast due to the prurient nature of the advertising and the prospect of watching a show about my parents' generation behaving badly. (Ewww.)

So you can imagine my surprise when I watched the DVD set two weeks ago and found a thoughtful show about people coping with the seismic changes in the social landscape and listening to that inner voice that questioned the cracks in their Ozzie and Harriet existence. While there was some self-centered hedonism on display, with attendant damage (think of the drug-addled tramp next door and her angry, neglected daughter), the show was mostly about the emotional journey of self-discovery. Plus the set-up of what appeared to be three stereotypical couple "types" --- the predatory swingers who devour all to avoid the emptiness at their core; the tentative new swingers who abandon themselves to all-out debauchery and lose their souls; and the conservative couple who get left behind to stew in their resentful judginess ---- did not pan out that way at all!

I became quite invested in the story arcs of Roger, Susan and Janet----- especially Janet. The designated wet blanket who proved to be a real life force was on the most engaging journey of all the characters. Heck, she even charmed Harry Reems with her humor, loyalty and shoot from the hip honesty.

Jimbo29, you are right about the show not being water cooler material. To even bring it up would have sent out an uncomfortable vibe. Which is odd that we can talk about Dexter's latest kill, but sex talk is still taboo in the workplace. Though I am not sure that is such a bad thing within the context of our (USA, pseudo-Puritan) culture.

There_Is_No_Sayid, you are right about the show slathering on the cultural reference points with a trowel. That could be off-putting to people uninterested in the 70s. Oddly, I remember the fashions of the 70s as being hippie-lite and a bit tacky---- yet I lusted after Molly Parker's dresses.

Pipeman_Toronto, the writing was a little inconsistent---- which becomes more evident when you watch multiple episodes back-to-back. But it was still far better than many shows. Though I also think the children's story lines were a misstep. Besides being unconvincing, they missed an opportunity to show how the parent's new exploratory lifestyles would have destabilized their children's world. That and Roger and Janet's son was an absolute pill.

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>the prospect of watching a show about my parents' generation behaving badly. (Ewww.)

Read it once, moved on, had to come back to it... can't let it go. I find the statement quite offensive.

I was young once, but have aged so that my now adult children would probably judge me to have "behaved badly" at some point, or another. My parents generation behaved quite badly. There are never-met half-brothers, and 'adopted babies/birth-mother reunions' (and the odd facebook-grade party pic!) to prove it. My parents' parents generation behaved badly from time to time... there's more long-lost relatives, the occasional suicide, and, apparently, even some tar and feathers. Oh, what were essentially mail-order brides sent for from the old country, and so on.

And, no doubt, my kids have, at some point, indulged in something or other, that their kids will deem to be "behaving badly".

(It does all make me laugh when I hear the term "traditional family values".)

Every generation gets to be human, and being human is what leads to interesting stories.

And if one turns out to be one of those who says "I can't stand thinking about my parents doing "it", I have to ask... how much time are you spending thinking about anyone else doing "it"?







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Sorry you were offended by your misinterpretation of my comment.

I was referencing the show's advertising that suggested it was going to take an adolescent leering view of 70's swinging rather than being the adult show it ultimately proved to be. Far from simply being the titillation of the week, the show explored different aspects of the lifestyles people chose as well as the consequences (enriching or damaging) of their choices.

As for your last comment pigeon-holing me as some prig obsessed with other people's sexual activities --- Where the hell did that come from??????

Lighten up.

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Well, I apologize for misinterpreting your comment. I think it was the 3-w "ewww" that threw me.

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I agree about CBS being the kiss of death for this kind of show. Whenever they acquire stuff that skews younger they mess it up. The Flash and American Gothic are two other examples. And this show in particular really needed to be on Showtime, HBO, F/X, some network like that.

A second reason is kind of related to the first one, only it's how CBS screwed up this time: Consider the airdates. First episode aired June 5, last one September 5. In other words, it aired during vacation time. Reality shows sometimes do okay during summer, and thus vacation months for some reason, but dramas tend to die when placed their because their audience is travelling or otherwise engaged in summer activities. It also makes it hard for a series to get picked up because those decisions are generally made in June.

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Sure everyone can make point after point about why a TV show fails but it is a TV show and it all comes down to one point, the title implied it wouldn't hold back and have one bit of pretentiousness to it. I don't even see how Mad Men can last any more if one of the leads is goes into a movie theater, smokes weed and then gives a hand job to a complete stranger. (she was hiding her sexual needs for control and she got it through drugs, we get it) You have to be extra conservative to some degree; if we saw Robin Tunney suddenly do that on Mentalist or any one on a pretentious cop show get drunk and go home with someone we the audience aren't going to continue watching it.

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