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From the point of view of a former soldier


This movie bothered me for one reason and one reason alone: the filmmakers apparently did no research into the protocol of rank (or just didn't care).

1) James was a sergeant first class (despite the end credits listing him as a staff sergeant--he wore the rank insignia of an SFC: three up and two down). There is no way in hell a sergeant (E5) would call a sergeant first class (E7) by last name. He would always address him as Sergeant James. And a specialist (E4) like Eldridge wouldn't dare call James by first or last name. It's simply not done. That gets you dropped for push-ups. A sergeant first class is a senior NCO. There is a fundamental difference between junior and senior NCOs. Which leads me to my second point...

2) No way Sanborn would berate James the way he did, and forget about punching him in the face. That would have resulted in an Article 15, at the very least, and possibly a court martial and time in the stockade. Sanborn could have been demoted down to E4 as a result of that. I've seen demotions for less cause than assaulting a senior NCO.

3) An SFC would not have been intimidated by a colonel the way James was when Colonel Reed talked to him. E7s and O6s often have about the same number of years in the service. My father was an E7 and, other than saluting and calling them sir or ma'am, he did not act especially deferential to them.

4) On the other hand, a specialist would not be so buddy buddy with a lieutenant colonel the way Eldridge was with Cambridge. He would have been "Sir, yes sir," all the way. When I was a specialist I would never have dared talk to an LTC the way Eldridge did. The LTC might not have minded, if he wasn't a command officer, but any NCO that overheard me doing that would have chewed my ear off and probably dropped me for push-ups.

If I didn't have such an extensive military background, maybe I would have liked this movie more. But I can't shut off that part of me. From the point of view of someone who knows the Army through and through, this aspect of the movie kept ruining my willing suspension of disbelief.

I think the writer shouldn't have made James anything higher than a buck sergeant, E5, and Sanborn should have been a corporal (E4, but the NCO version), and Eldridge a private first class (E3). Then more of this behavior would have tracked a little more accurately. Still would be inaccurate for other reasons, but at least then the protocol wouldn't have been so FUBAR. I know there will always be inaccuracies, although some reasons are more legitimate than others, and I don't mind small ones that don't really hurt the important elements of a story, like plot and character development, but the plot and character development hinged so much on these characters behaving in completely unacceptable ways for real soldiers, in terms of relating to each other when there is this kind of rank disparity going on.

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Get over it. It's a movie.

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Well I'm sorry military people couldn't enjoy it. I thought it was beautiful, and pretty moving.

But of course, it's easy to *sit and enjoy the beauty* when it isn't your own world the Hollywood directors are being artistic with.

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Oh man, this was the most entertaining and funny thread I have read in a while.

Everyones an expert its great!

Oh and I am also a former Soldier. Did I enjoy this movie? No not at all for it was getting all sorts of praise that it was realistic when the only thing I found realistic with it was there was dirt and sand. I do like what someone said about you dont need to add drama to a war film, just let the action and battles and conflict speak for itself. Excellent point. When more drama is added to a film involving war it doesnt work too well, Pearl Harbor, but when you focus on just the conflict it typically turns out pretty well, Blackhawk Down.

Rank rank rank rank rank arr bla bla blah. Whats funny is in each unit in the Military is different. Each NCO and each Officer is different. Some units are very strict with go and do push ups for not calling me SGT, while others are more relaxed. When I was deployed while on a mission did I throw a fit and force my Soldiers to do push ups if they didnt refer to me as SGT? No. On the Fob and back in the states, yeah I was more strict about it. But I have seen some people who throw temper tantrums when they werent addressed by rank and I have seen others form very close bonds with their teams where theyre all still great friends to this day. It just differs from person to person and unit to unit.

Then people fighting oh well EOD only goes out with tanks. Not one single vehicle ever travels anywhere by itself. Ok maybe the EOD you went with was escorted by tanks, you were a tanker after all. But the EOD I saw was escorted by Infantry or they had a full squad of EOD that rolled out. But also a few of my buddies in the first couple years of the war typically rolled out either in one or two trucks. They werent EOD but they didnt always have full squads. Once again, not everyone experienced the same thing on their deployments.

Did I enjoy this movie? No, not by a long shot. There were way too many glaring inaccuracies for someone that has been in the Military. And its not like you can just get over it and turn it off cause its a movie. There are things you are trained to do and notice, the little details, and it can really bother someone to see a "realistic" movie not be close to real at all.

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Thanks for sharing! These are really good points. I personally didn't really pay attention to ranks during the movie, but this would bother me if I was aware about it as well.

"MALLL NOOO, JESUS CHRIST!" - Leonardo DiCaprio, Inception

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Agree wholeheartedly with these points. As a long time soldier, enlisted and officer, here are a few points:

You dont go over the wire on some self-appointed vigilante mission with nothing more than a pea shooter and relying on an unreliable local. No backup plan, no one knows where you are etc.....

There are never any realistic mission briefings, just guys running around checking out vacant buildings with no back up, no secure perimeter, nada.

I can sort of excuse the sniper section, but what a crappy place to shoot from, exposed high ground, completely predictable to the bad guys; and assuming someone with no training could effectively use the Barrett.

No liquor in the war zone, for the obvious reasons.

If you are the team leader, your primary goal, other than mission accomplishment, is to NOT place your soldiers in unnecessary danger, which is done more often than not, simply because of James' ego, motivation, whatever those are.

If you want something done right, do it yourself.

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There is/was liquor in Iraq (and Afghanistan). If you believe otherwise, you quite clearly haven't been there.

The sniper scene was ludicrous on any number of levels, but there are several threads already out there on that.

The whole "three EOD guys tooling around Iraq, doing whatever they feel like, with no support, no nothing" is...just bad writing. The lack of "briefings" I can forgive, because most briefings do not make riveting film.

The point of the film was that James was a BAD team leader, because he was solely interested in the "rush" of handling IEDs/UXO. Yes, it's a bad "point" for a film, because it is unlikely in the extreme that James would have lasted a week in his job with his demonstrated disregard for "every rule in the book."

What Bn were/are you with?

Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.

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Yeah, definitely liquor available in Iraq in abundance.

I should watch this movie again, but one scene that hasn't been mentioned is how one of the mercenaries mans a Coalition 50 cal. I may be wrong on the details, but when I first watched it, I was thinking, shouldn't someone tell him to get his ass down from there?

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"There is/was liquor in Iraq (and Afghanistan). If you believe otherwise, you quite clearly haven't been there"

This. There was definitely liquor in Iraq, this I know for certain, and I would be willing to bet it was the same way in Afghanistan. To tell you the truth, it was not really hard to come by if one were so inclined.


Haters gonna hate

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I served in Iraq and I will say one thing, this movie absolutely nailed the environment of Iraq. The way the streets looked, to the tension of hearing that foreign language that you dont understand and having to assume anyone of them could be the next *beep* trying to kill you. This movie took me back there in that perspective.

However, over half of the *beep* that happened was absolutely wrong but I understand, its a drama film. Like I said it was totally inaccurate about how we went about our jobs but man it sure looked the same. What say you?




Haters gonna hate

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It's a movie, a work of fiction, not a documentary... just sayin'.

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ha i just saw this movie yesterday so yeah sorry for opening this old thread.

yes this is a movie but some people will definitely relate to it much more than others so it's just natural reaction to point out inaccuracies or whatever with the subject matter.

anyhow, with regards to the relaxed attitude of addressing higher ranking soldiers, I agree with the poster who wrote that it depends on the unit, people nvolved, situation and different countries and so on. When I was just a recruit making an errand to the office I remember my OC's clerk (pvt) calling him by name. Several years on near the end of my time in inf I was running guard duty and that night I happened to meet an old school mate of mine, a 2LT, who was booking into my camp and I greeted him as Sir but he said call him Jeff. After he had left one of the others said 'he's a real nice guy isn't he'. And I remember being ticked off by a warrant because one of my men called me 'ironleg' (my nickname from playing soccer together). So it depends.

but Sanborn should absolutely have been court martialled. MPs would not have let James off at all either after he snuck out of camp. Lastly, Beckham (the real one) was great as a set-piece taker so it should have been the kid taking the penalty kick!

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I AM OUTRAGED THAT I DIDN'T SEE ALL THOSE PUSHUPS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THIS FILM AND HOW THEY TALKED TO EACH OTHER!!!!! I WANTED TO SEE A 7 HOUR LONG MOVIE ABOUT PROTOCOL!!!


I loved this movie.

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