Hathaway's name


I've just been watching the reruns of series 1 and 2 of Lewis. In at least two of those episodes Lewis calls Hathaway "Jim" rather than "James." Now whilst I realise that Jim is a traditional short form for James, it is quite noticeable in later series that Lewis had ceased to say anything other than James when speaking to Hathaway.

Can anybody account for this? Or does anybody have a theory about this change? Is it, perhaps, just lazy scriptwriters and poor continuity never picked up on? Or is it maybe intentional and in some way supposed to indicate some development in Lewis ' relationship with Hathaway?

Any views would be welcome.

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I noticed that myself. My theory is that Robbie, not being a formal guy, initially thought that someone named James would go by Jim. But as he got to know James, who is as formal as one can be, he figured out that James does not use Jim and Jim does not fit him. I don't remember James correcting Robbie when he referred to him as Jim so it seems it's something Robbie figured out for himself.

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Thanks,. Yes, I think your theory makes a lot of sense.

Anybody else got an opinion?

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I also agree with the theory that Robbie started out with Jim, because he's informal himself.
But then he hears other people call him James, and introduce himself as James, so Lewis gets it and starts calling him the name he prefers to go by, out of respect.

I actually had that same situation with a new guy that came to work for me,,,,I called him Bob, but after he introduced himself as Robert, people called him that, his business cards said that.....I started calling him Robert, and correcting other people that called him Bob, so he didn't have.

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The first time I heard Lewis refer to him as Jim I wondered about it, but told myself it was a slip due to his informality.

Do you remember the Morse episode "The Way Through the Woods" where DCI Johnson kept calling Lewis "Bob?" It sounded weird, but also disrespectful - I wanted to slap the guy, but I suppose it was intended so as to show what an arrogant arse Johnson was.

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I think Robbie's working-class background has made him more prone to using nicknames than other people. He refers to people he cares about as "our" so-and-so (our Lyn, our Val), which is a very typical working-class speech pattern, and he also uses nicknames like "pet" and "lad" quite frequently.

Calling James "Jim" is a natural thing for someone from his background and part of the world. As MysteryFan suggests, James may have eventually corrected him on this telling him he preferred "James".

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Oh he is very much a James isn't he? A shortened name can change the character completely. Queen Betty the II? Bob Lewis? Jonny Creek? Even Foyle is most definitely a Christopher NOT a Chris. Not sure how one could shorten Endeavour. Endy?

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I believe and old friend called Foyle "Kit" in one episode. That's an old nickname for Christopher.

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And that's why everybody called him "Morse" and nothing else. Because he himself wasn't even comfortable with that name.

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Not sure how one could shorten Endeavour. Endy?
How about "Dev"?
(although, if I were named "Endeavour" I would just change it legally to something else. It's such a ridiculous name, IMO)

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(although, if I were named "Endeavour" I would just change it legally to something else. It's such a ridiculous name, IMO)


Ridiculous name? I guess “Dreamsville” is a superb name--your first name or surname? Were you never taught NOT to make fun of other people’s names, looks, or what social class they grew up in? That’s quite vulgar--lacks sophistication.

I was named Helen Endeavour at birth. My parents were sailors and medical doctors and both lived aboard and sailed the Pacific their entire married lives. They read all of the Patrick O’Brian and Horatio Hornblower sea adventures (as did I) and I grew up on a sailboat and can captain anything from a dinghy to a 100 foot two masted ketch. (A type of sailboat as opposed to a yawl)

I was named for the HMS Endeavour, the British sailing ship used by Captain Cook to explore the Pacific specifically the area around Eastern Australia.
Columbia, Challenger, Discovery, Atlantis, and Endeavour are the names of the Individual Space Shuttle orbiters of the US’ National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) and were named in honor of antique sailing ships of the navies of the world. Endeavour was also the command module for Apollo 15...the Apollo missions were the space missions after the Mercury 7 missions and the Gemini missions.

I have always been proud to have such an important historical name! I live in Hawai’i which was visited by Captain Cook three times.

The nickname for Endeavour is Devver. I’ve gone by Devver my entire professional life. I read the Colin Dexter books--one reads a lot living off the grid on a boat. I found it interesting that Dexter wrote in his series of books that Morse’ father was a lover of the sea and thus had named his son after the same boat captained by Cook. Morse may have been teased for the name as it wasn’t a “Christian” name used by royalty such as a King George or Prince Phillip.

I do hope that you reach adulthood one day and know not to make fun of ANYONE’S name, Mr. or Miss Dreamsville.

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I don't understand why you take umbrage from posters thinking "Endeavour" is a funny looking name when that was the whole point of the author giving his protagonist such a name. It's not really a question of name calling, it's a question of it being an odd and unusual name. And that the protagonist Morse also thought so. This isn't a question of posters making fun of people with that name, this is a question of the author using that name just because of it being somewhat funny. It's a beautiful name, and a name with history, and a name for quakers. But it is a fact that giving someone that name as a first name is somewhat odd and eccentric. That isn't under question, it is a fact. And the peculiarity of it is the whole point. Be proud of your name, Helen Endeavour Eschenbacher, I would if I were you. But be also proud of the fact that it is an eccentric peculiarity.

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You obviously like your name but some people hate theirs. And no, I've never been taught not to laugh at other people's names, but that's probably because I have an awful name. I absolutely hate my name, and people have remarked on it for all of my life, making it even worse. Feel free to be happy with your own name, but Endeavour Morse obviously wasn't happy with his.
I'm nearly 50, so I think I've reached adulthood. And surely your name is Helen?

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Wow, cool story!

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