Sorry I just finished watching this... never read the book so I don't know how closely related this is... but initially I LOVED Elinor all the way to the last 5 min of the TV show
How could Elinor say yes after being used, tossed away, getting engaged over (I mean Edward made it clearly to his mom he wanted to get engaged to Lucy) and then finally when Lucy decides "oh no I don't want Edward" he comes back to the 2nd woman who had feelings to him (almost like she's second hand). He even wore Lucy's hair in his ring. This issue so much above pride. To me it almost made it seem like Elinor has no self-worth. If she were "sensibility" I could imagine her say yes... but man!
This is probably my least favorite Jane Austen story (if this show is faithful to the book)
(I mean Edward made it clearly to his mom he wanted to get engaged to Lucy)
Edward had gotten engaged to Lucy when they were both young, long before he ever met Elinor. He wasn't wearing Lucy's hair to intentionally hurt Elinor, but because it was his fiance's, and she had convinced him to wear it as a mark of his affection. Edward had indeed originally wanted to marry Lucy or he wouldn't have asked her. But he hadn't really loved her for a while, since he had seen how silly and shallow she was. The problem was in this time period, if a man broke an engagement to a woman, she could actually bring him to court and sue for quite a large fee--an engagement was legally binding on his side. Only a woman could break an engagement, or a man if he had made it when he was a minor. So technically, Edward could have gotten out of the engagement with Lucy since he was a minor when he entered into the engagement. But he felt the honorable thing was to go through with it anyway, and most of society would have agreed with him (except his family that wanted him to marry someone better); which is why Elinor is so understanding that he choose to stand by Lucy. I will agree that he acted badly with showing so much obvious interest in Elinor when he isn't free, his excuse that he didn't think she would care for him is crap.
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Edward should have made it clear to his family that he wasn't going to propose to Elinor at the start of the story. That would have spared Elinor a huge amount of rudeness at the hands of Mrs Ferrars and Fanny Dashwood.
I doubt it. Fanny seemed like the type who would just find something else to be rude over. For crying out loud, she moved into Norland not even a week after her husband's father died. Not very good mannered.
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I never said that Fanny would be pleasant to Elinor had Edward attempted to protect her. And you'll certainly never hear me claim that Fanny is anything other than unpleasant. I don't think Fanny actually has it in her to be nice to anyone .
My point was merely that if Edward had made it clear he had no intention of proposing to Elinor (which was not a lie since he couldn't because of his prior engagement) it would have protected Elinor from the ruder than usual behaviour she was subjected to by Fanny and her mother in London. Even Fanny thought her mother had gone too far at one point. And if Fanny thinks someone has been rude, then I think it's safe to say they've behaved badly .
I don't think Edward was in fear of being sued, I doubt it happened very often. Their engagement was in secret and no ring was ever given. An engagement ring actually is the binding contract and in today's society you can sue someone for breaking off said contract.
I think it was to show that Edward is an honourable guy, that even though he rushed into this school boy infatuation he had given his word, and for him that word was bond. Lucy also knew how honourable Edward was so she was manipulating him into the situation. He would have married her because he felt the obligation to keep his word.
You’re right that Edward wasn’t afraid of being sued. In fact, his mother wanted to pay off Lucy so Edward could break his engagement, but Edward was too hOnorable to allow that.
I find her admirable, on the contrary. Instead of being jealous and turning bitter, she easily understands that Edward is bound by honour, and she respects that. She could not love him were he a lesser man. If he had just tossed his previous fiancée aside for the sake of Elinor, she could never have been happy with him. She's not his second choice, she's the right one, and you can't make the right decision if that implies making a wrong one first (breaking up the engagement to Lucy). The very fact that he rushes to Elinor as soon as he's free is a token of his honourable character, and one of the reasons Elinor loves him so much. These two could never have married if their love story had been marred from the start by a mean action. They're both equally good-hearted and righteous, that's why they're such a perfect match.
I think Edward is honorable and I respect him for it. I think the whole situation just spirals beyond his control -- I don't believe he intentionally led Elinor on.
Actually I think in that moment she shows some of her greatest strengths. She is understanding, forgiving, compassionate and loyal. That is actually one of the main points of the story--that Marianne's idea of love (this romantic, sweep you off your feet kind of thing) is shallow, while Edward's love for Elinor, though perhaps if looked at superficially seems weak, is deep and lasting.
I also think Edward gets judged as a pushover, when he's one of the most honorable, kind and selfless male characters in all of Austendom. Not only is he willing to stay with a woman he doesn't love because of honor, it is clear he would have treated her well their entire lives and not held a grudge against her or been bitter. Elinor really sums it up perfectly when she tells him that she would not have liked him so much had he not kept his promise to Lucy or acted inappropriately with her. That's what makes those last five minutes so sweet--they both did what was right and selfless and got justly rewarded for it in the end.
Look at it this way, if Edward wouldn't, for any reason, not even on threat of being disinherited, abandon a girl he made a foolish promise to in his youth and never truly loved, just think how loyal, kind and wonderful he will be to a woman he deeply and truly loved. His mistake was rushing into an engagement, not honoring it despite his love for Elinor. Elinor had the maturity to see this.
-- “My first girlfriend turned into the moon.” “That’s rough, buddy.”
Look at it this way, if Edward wouldn't, for any reason, not even on threat of being disinherited, abandon a girl he made a foolish promise to in his youth and never truly loved, just think how loyal, kind and wonderful he will be to a woman he deeply and truly loved. His mistake was rushing into an engagement, not honoring it despite his love for Elinor. Elinor had the maturity to see this.
Very well put, RC! How have you been? I miss you over at our old stomping ground!
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I was looking for a 'like' button to click on for your comment Roostercharmer, you got it exactly right about Edward, he was trying to do the honourable thing by Lucy despite his feelings for Elinor. I really enjoyed this version of S&S.
I don't think it was meant to be that way. Maybe he did try to stand up to his father, but we don't know. We never get to meet his father, or know what his father is truly like. I don't think he was insulting his ward, and praising Willoughby. Remember, he heard from Willoughby's aunt that he intended to propose to Marianne, and that's what makes him think Willoughby's intentions were honorable. I don't find Alan Rickman's Colonel Brandon creepy at all. I don't know why you do. I've read some of your posts. Do you just not like Alan Rickman in general, or do you not like him as Colonel Brandon?
At least I provided a reason for why I dislike Rickman's performance, and some evidence proving that I am hardly alone in finding it off-putting (similar to the way I provided evidence that S&S 1995's Brandon is meant to have attempted suicide, which I suppose you thought I had invented - but it's actually right there in the film [] ).
Actually, Mrs. Jennings says I THINK he would have done himself a harm if not for John. She says she THINKS he would have, that doesn't necessarily mean he would have, just that she THINKS he would.
I had thoughts like you. Edward was not a very honorable guy getting Elinor's hopes us while he was engaged to Lucy for 4 years. I don't know what he was thinking, but clearly he choose Lucy at the end, and had she not dumped him for his rich brother they would have married.
And like you said, he comes running back to girl #2, and she is so willing to accept him and forget all the heartache and false leading on he gave her.
This is why I like Jane Austen - her characters are not always either great or always bad. Many of them are both - good people flawed. Edward was good, but seriously flawed. Just like Darcy in P&P.
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