Don't Any Of You Find It Odd... - The Lost Room (2006) Discussion

[–] Ponzer 16 years ago

Yeah, I agree. The story is not very well thought out. There are tons of logical flaws. I was frankly a bit dissapointed, since the show had such rave reviews here. Add the fact that it was a miniseries, it should have been a great concluded well thought out story (for example Lost, which is superbly written, but clearly is damaged by being on a network and thus goes on forever as long as it makes money). But in the end, you really don't get any conclusion.
I would not recommend this series to somebody else.

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[–] meakmusic 16 years ago

This is a really stupid question. Of course not every angle is thought out. You can't take any science fiction series or movie and not find a million flaws b/c it's fiction....

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[–] hedonisticglobetrotter 16 years ago

Well, in this series none of the angles were thought out. Just because it's sci-fi doesn't mean it can't be logical. In my opinion, that's what separates good sci-fi from bad. This is clearly high budget, well produced sci-fi, but it's all in vain because of the flaws in the plot. Too bad...

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[–] Derek-18 15 years ago

I agree with meekmusic.

The more you understand about science and physics, the more ANY sci-fi program is demonstrably improbable or impossible. So, as a guy who has studied science, I have to just learn to "suspend disbelief" for any sci fi story. This one wasn't any different.

Basically, after watching such a movie, it is no fun to ruminate and try to figure out how the story couldn't possibly happen. It's much more imaginative and fun to try to figure out how it *could* happen. Or just accept the reality as presented, and imagine new storylines within it.

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[–] pstephenparkin 9 years ago

The more you understand about science and physics, the more ANY sci-fi program is demonstrably improbable or impossible.

That's true for pretty much every type of film or TV programme, isn't it? The thing that made Cronenberg's "Crash" stand out from other car films is that the things the cars were made to do it it were possible, and the crashes panned out as real crashes would.

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[–] Derek-18 8 years ago

True. It doesn't have to be science.

You could watch a Jason Bourne film based in Croatia with a croatian with a Phd in Croatian history, and I'm sure he'd spend the whole time saying:

"That's not what Croatia is like. That film set doesn't even look like Croatia. That guy doesn't have a Croatian accent. They've got the Croatian parliament all wrong, and those aren't even the capital buildings. Jeez, did they even talk to a Croatian before filming this?

And I'd be thinking: "Cool movie. Croatia looks nice. Wish this guy would just shut up."

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[–] MeeEvill 16 years ago

damn you are stupid

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[–] Jogilius 14 years ago

That's bs! The only thing you have to just take in is the basic premise:
- do not question why each object has the power it has.
- do not question too much what the event actually was.

Apart from that PEOPLE should mostly act as they do in reality. So the better different angles are thought out, the better. However I'm not a fan of putting too much government conspiracy stuff in everything, and in my opinion that kind of stuff is mostly over the top and exaggerated. So I didn't have a problem with that in this series.

Ps. There are many Sci-fi movies that don't have "a million flaws".

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[–] cmlegend 16 years ago

I will recommend this series to many... very intriguing... I could not wait to see the next episode

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[–] amedeus 15 years ago

Lost doesn't go on forever, they've been planning to end it with season 6 for a few years now.

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[–] shodan-4 16 years ago

YES. In fact, after 40 years, not only the "Federal Government" but also everyone else would know about the objects. They would be publicly known. Everyone would know about the existence of the key especially and the objects and their properties would be under scrutiny by scientists. That's my only problem with the show. However, this can't really be helped without drastically changing the whole story, so I am willing to allow the objects to be a complete mystery at the beginning so the audience can learn about them at the same time as the main protagonist. It's a great show!

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[–] marshallwhittaker 16 years ago

It is kind of annoying though how nobody seems to take a real notice of him just opening locked doors and going into a room thats not spost to be there throughout the entire thing, other people see him do it, and they're just like oh oh well. You would think word would get around to more than just these few little groups and individual fanatics. Like the guy going around zapping people to gallop all the time out in public, and the one stopping time with his comb in public, I mean, word would get around about that pretty fast. One person saying they got poked by a train ticket and fell out of the sky in gallop is one thing, but that guy probably sent hundreds of people there. You know at least some of them would have talked about it to other people, even if they had no idea about an "object" or the room, or any of that stuff, but once word got out, everyone would be trying to figure out why it was happening, and sooner or later they would.

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[–] sirik666 16 years ago

Three things...
1)Object-Espionage---There are two groups collecting objects, each with a large number of 'magic' objects, many of which, we have to assume, have as many reality bending powers as those which we have seen used in the context of the narrative. It is likely that steps have been taken to plug any security leaks through use of the objects or through standard means of espionage. Also, it is distinctly possible that many of those 'authorities' are in one or both groups, able to manipulate events from the inside.

2)Object-Mobility---The Occupant has subtle control over the movements of the objects. If he were of the mind to keep them away from the police or military, I'm sure he could have, at worst, limited success. As well, the objects themselves seem to have a 'mobility by destiny' like many magic items in fantasy stories. It it postulated by The Cabals that all objects will meet and interact at one point or another. If that is true, and the Occupant is not consciously intersecting the paths of these objects, it is feasible that the objects themselves are avoiding the authorities.

3)Object-Amnesia---There is a place in New Mexico, where people can't even remember that there ever was a tenth room at that motel. The events that occur may be conveniently forgotten over time. It may be the Occupant causing it purposefully. Perhaps it's an overall effect of the Objects themselves. It may even be whatever agency caused the Event in the first place causing some variety of specified amnesia. There is also the idea of reality-inertia, where if you see a werewolf/vampire/alien/giant-insect, you may be less likely to believe you saw what you think you saw. Especially in the face of skepticism and accusations of insanity or deception.

"I saw a guy walk into a room,, and it wasn't even really there! Then, some guy hit me with a piece of paper, and I landed on the highway in New Mexico!"

"Sure buddy... Have another one..."

I feel these are all reasonable suspensions of disbelief.
I would like to hear your opinions on other plot holes, please.

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[–] beer_and_veg 16 years ago

wow, good answer, sirik666. those work for me.

i have watched all but the finale of the show so far. i love the idea, but it just seems a bit poorly written. I also find the Peter Krauss character a bit boring and not well acted. the minor characters are far better done. my one major issue is the guy that kidnaps the little girl at the beginning, the weasel. the relationship between him and the main character seems completely off and unbelievable. the other character i have a problem with is the forensics guy. the actions he takes seem out of line and why would the main character meet with him or turn his back on him?

i'll have to finish the show and then ponder some more. overall, it's an enjoyable show. holes can be ignored. in the end, it's the idea that keeps it all moving.

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[–] janappo 16 years ago

I loved the Lost Room. Has any one ever seen a movie called Men in Black? Holes galore. Just watch it and enjoy it for what it is. Dont go asking too many questions.

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[–] mk3snes 16 years ago

I don't see how Men in Black would be filled with more holes than the lost room, but im not complaining that the FBI never got involved in TLR...it makes sense that in MIB the government never got involved, they explained it with a little vibrator they call the Neuralyzers which pretty much cancels out the possibility of any record of anything they do. But i liked one just as much as the other so i could really care less about plot holes haha

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[–] There_Is_No_Sayid 16 years ago

How do we know that Joe is the first police officer involved? Think of what Joe's involvement in the case looks like from the POV of the police: A detective, for unknown reasons, went rogue and killed his partner and then disappeared. How would that put anyone onto the objects? The only other law enforcement officials who knew of the objects are Ruber, who isn't going to tell, Joe's partner, who is dead, and the black detective who seems cowed into submission and who would sound crazy if she said anything. It's quite possible that other police officers discovered the items but kept it secret.

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[–] greree 16 years ago

Obviously because no one would believe it. I wouldn't, probably not even if I saw it demonstrated myself. And I certainly would NOT believe it if the only evidence I had was someone telling me it was true.

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[–] ATMinotaur 16 years ago

I agree with the post saying that most people who told others wouldn't be believed, there's a couple of examples in the show. One of a person being in a mental hospital the other of the mechanic posting a message on the internet. With the mechanic the only person to show up and ask about the item was Ruber.

Also there's only about 100 objects, the useful ones, people aren't exactly going to tell too many people about it, and the one's who'd believe are ones who already have an item, seeing as they attract each other.

Another thing, out of those 100 or so objects, the power of the object is still unknown, and of those that the powers are known the use wouldn't be obvious to anyone who didn't know about it, eg the watch its unlikely anyone would figure out it hard boils eggs if someone didn't tell you, same with the radio, its supposed to make you 1 inch taller if tuned to the right station, and its not sure that it does.

And far as I remember there probably only 3 items where to use it is fairly obvious, and that's the key, the pen and the comb, and in my opinion only the key would probably be used and the power be and someone would realize the power. I don't see anyone trying to use the key without already knowing it power, the comb would be a maybe, but it would most likely be used in a bathroom and thus the person would probably be alone, so wouldn't realise.

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[–] There_Is_No_Sayid 16 years ago

And think of the obkjects. Some of them you just wouldn't use. Like if your friend had the comb and they died would you keep just some random plastic comb? No, you'd probably throw it out. Same thing with just some random pen. And the Key is so powerful that anyone with it would likely be able to avoid police custody

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[–] Final_megaman 16 years ago

Lets say for the sake of argument they do try to investigate reports of the objects. What do you think would happen?

Take the character of Ruber. He was a cop trying to investigate the objects and he was driven insane in the process. Same thing with Lee, the more she looked the less it looked like she had a grasp on reality.

Any federal agent who looked for the objects would probably end up the same as Ruber, wanting to keep it secret and slowly going insane.

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[–] alesperance 16 years ago

>not one of the Federal Government's branches of intelligence
>or law enforcement has been involved in the procurement of these ojbects?

Why assume that to be true? Did the camera ever focus on the head of the FBI in some scene where he showed surprise at the existence of objects?

Supposedly there were 2 main cabals. As far as I could tell, the one they showed the most only had like...8ish items? The "vault" looked like it held 20ish? We saw maybe a dozen more in private hands? (sorry, its been a year since I saw this). Maybe the FBI black ops does have 40 of their own. Maybe at one time they had 80 items, but some ass with a magic key stole them all back in the '90s. Maybe there's a hot dog object that allows one to mind control the government.

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[–] There_Is_No_Sayid 16 years ago

Good point. There's supposed to be around a hundred objects. Kreutzfeld has quite a few. I'd say we see at least ten or more when Joe is in his room. The Collectors had quite a few others locked away. The Order of the Reunification had a few and the other Cabal had a few. That limits the number of them just floating around.

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[–] petekwando 15 years ago

My assumption, based on the "coincidental meetings" behavior of the objects and the abilities of the Occupant, is that the objects won't let themselves be found by governments. They "want" to be out there in the world.

The writer/producer's reason, which I wholeheartedly agree with, is that they didn't want to go the same direction as countless other "weird" modern fantasies, like the X-Files. As soon as you introduce the government into anything, that becomes the focus of the story - the cover-ups, the conspiracy, the Men in Black, the big secret bases and black helicopters and commandos and shadowy guys in suits speaking in vague terms and threatening the heroes. We've seen it a hundred times before, why do it yet again? The show isn't about how the CIA and KGB would use the objects, it's about how people would use the objects. That's infinitely more interesting.

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[–] smash_ogre19 15 years ago

doesn't using the objects cause possible bad things.

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