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Lemme see if I got this straight...


60 mins of this movie is all irrelevant because there is no ghost...
she was a whore
Ray was a sham artist
I'm sorry but this was literally 90 mins of my life I'll never get back.
This was some psuedo-after school drama/documentary... why is this being grouped with paranormal activity?...at there was 'REAL' paranormal activity in that movie.
This was just a brother with really good photoshop skills.
What a piece of trash. I havent been this mad at myself for watching til the end since ep 3

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Did you actually watch it to the end? Otherwise you would have known that there was indeed a ghost and it was Alice.

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I doubt I'm going to change your opinion or anyone else's but I'm going to chip in and give my two cents. Apologies if things I say have already been said:

SPOILERS:

There was a ghost. The brother adding his sister's image to the both the film and the video is never fully explained. He himself doesn't even know why he really did this. Maybe an act of rebellion because he doesn't want to believe his sister is dead? Perhaps by adding her to the photos/videos it helps aid in his grief by keeping his sister alive, at least in some small way.

HOWEVER, if you watched the whole movie, you'll see that this was just a white rabbit to have the audience let its guard down. His sister appears in the video when he's on a road trip with Ray. She also appears in all the doctored photos AS HERSELF during the credits. NO PHOTOSHOP. She was there the whole time. And her presence was felt in the house at all times.

The daughter and the mom share some kind of psychic energy, as they both had shared dreams. The mom dreamed her daughter coming into her room and standing over the bed after Alice went to Ray months earlier and dreamed the same thing. Also the end sequence where they both shared the vision of the mom going into the her bedroom. This might sound foolish but normal people experience all kinds of "coincidences" during their normal lives that we overlook. It's only when faced with the evidence of how little of a "coincidence" it is that we begin to realize that something else is at work here. Or perhaps they weren't dreams at all but reality (for the mom). Maybe she only thought she was dreaming. We don't know, and it doesn't matter.

A lot of people are speculating about the threesome affair she had with the family she babysat for. The explanation for this is simple: she had secrets. We're meant to understand that this sweet innocent girl isn't what she seems, that she's hiding a part of herself from the world. I'm surprised others aren't getting this, as I'm pretty sure we ALL hide part of ourselves from others. Do you tell everyone you meet everything about you? About your darkest secrets, desires, fears, experiences? No, of course you don't. This sequence was meant to bring you closer to Alice, to understand she's not just some flat, 2-dimensional character. She has her own backstory, and it helps us to understand a little bit about this next sequence...

The burying of her possessions and visit from her ghost. If I remember correctly, this happened BEFORE she went to see Ray and told him about her dreams. If not, I'm mistaken but the point would still stand. We've all been out with friends supposed to be having a good time and for some reason we don't. We feel down, isolated, apart, and thought we might not be able to explain it, it happens. Sometimes there are no answers for our moods. Sometimes we're just depressed. In Alice's case, it might have had something to do with her private life, the one she told no one about. She knew she'd crossed a line in her life and it fractured her relationships with her friends and family. She goes off on her own to contemplate her mistakes, etc when she comes upon her ghost in the middle of nowhere. I don't care what you say, that would frighten the EVERLOVING SH*T OUT OF ME. Seeing your own ghost, YOUR DEAD SELF? That wouldn't do anything for you? If not, you're a liar. Of course, she's visibly disturbed when she gets back to camp, and since we can only speculate what really happened to her when she met her ghost (since the camera phone footage went haywire), she's trying to work it out in her head. She thinks she's going to die. If I saw myself in the middle of nowhere bloated and fat with seawater, my flesh peeling away to expose the bone beneath, the stench of death hot on my body, I MIGHT speculate that I was going to die. At some point. Why else would my dead self visit me? The point is, here is where her mind fractures, she can't handle it, and she knows (at least in her mind) that she will die. She will become THIS... whatever it was she saw. You ever hear of emotionally distraught people making sane decisions? Nope. And neither does Alice. She buries her things in a private "funeral service" for herself cause she knows no one will believe her story. She's coming to grips with her future death: by burying herself.

On to Ray. He may or may not have been a sham. He obviously hid things from the family and his conclusions say it was because he wanted to help them, and he was "damned if did, damned if he didn't". The point was, Ray became close to the family, understood something was wrong, and regardless of whether he was a fake or not, HELPED THE FAMILY THROUGH IT. With his guidance, the Palmers came to grips with their daughter's death and apparent ghost.

But I think the thing you're missing most about this movie is it's NOT ABOUT ALICE, OR RAY, OR THE NEIGHBORS, OR THE THREESOME, OR EVEN THE GHOSTLY EVIDENCE. It's a film about grief, and how a normal family comes to terms with the loss of a loved one. I for one sat in total grief this whole time. Maybe it's because my family is loving and I'd hate to lose them. Or maybe it's because I have sister Alice's age. Or maybe it's just because I'm a sensitive person. Whatever it is, the movie was a "60 minutes" special on THE PALMERS and how they came to deal with their grief. We see Matthew fake evidence to give himself and his parents peace-of-mind (crazy as it seems, but grief does crazy things to a person); we see Russell bury himself in work to forget about the issue; we see June having nightmares and walking into people's houses, looking for a feeling of completeness and homeliness because her own home is lost now. All of these things are ways in which the Palmers are trying to cope.

So sure this movie didn't have jumpy scares, or quick cut scenes, or even a fast-paced plot, but it didn't need them. It wasn't trying to be these things. I'm sorry if some of you expected one thing and got another when you came out of this film. I for one, was pleasantly surprised, and yes, terrified. I couldn't tell this movie was a fake. Even knowing the movie was just that, A MOVIE, beforehand didn't stop my mind from BELIEVING that this was all real, that it had really happened, that I was watching an ACTUAL documentary. The actors all did fantastic jobs of keeping in character and might be the most realistic characters I've seen on screen. I felt their grief, I felt their fear, and to me, they could have been anybody. This movie was trying to be a mirror for the viewer, using a supernatural twist that isn't really much of a twist at all. It begs the questions, are we all what we seem? How much do I really know about those closest to me? Would those things matter if I lost them? How IS my relationship with my family/friends? How do I come to terms with death? I could go on, but I don't think I need to.

Hope this helps, if even a little. Like I said, I figured most of you have already made up your minds, but I thought this movie was a brilliant piece of work in a world full of sequels and remakes.

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Bravo! I couldn't have written any better.

really, I couldn't because I've had one drink too many


Still, you nailed it. The movie is understated and well-paced as opposed to cliched and in-your-face as too many horror/suspense/thrillers tend to be.

-- though I have to say I do enjoy the story line that is Paranormal Activity. I find it just original enough and am looking forward to the 3rd installment.



-- penguins are just rats in monkey suits

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are you serious? either you weren't paying attention at all or you watched a completely different movie.

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2 pages of people telling me to rewatch a movie that I already explained parts from the beginning middle and end. *I've seen the entire movie. Yes, this one.

I've read all the posts and I understand where some of you are getting your answers, but most of you are totally reaching. Reaching, because the movie is ambiguous. It's one thing when they leave the signs around for you to piece together, but this movie purposely takes you off course, as if to add another layer of depth when, really, it's trying to fill the gaps in a weak script and hit the required mark of a real movie at the same time.

Rather than watch it again, I've read whatever you all have pieced together to call an ending...which is acceptable I guess but still doesn't refute the fact that this movie was made badly.

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I can see it is not possible to alter your opinions of the film; though allow me to comment that I never get "mad" at a film. Such behavior is quite irrational and can limit one's own attempt to understand a film. Or maybe it is because I went to film school. (please don't throw any tomatoes at me)

But within your nitpicks of the film, there is one fact that the film states: there is a ghost. We, as the audience, may be "reaching," but the narrative itself claims there is a ghost. At face value. To infer that there *absolutely* is no ghost goes against the film's own established logic, and it is the viewer's own fault for imposing what the film itself never imposed. Many books about film criticism make it a point to stress this principle. Example: I've heard a guy ramble on about how 2001: A Space Odyssey was a metaphor for abortion. Kubrick would be rolling in his grave. Anyway...

I, uh, I didn't see the "layers" that you say are there. Maybe you're probing deeper than you need to? This is not an experimental, art house film directed by David Lynch. If I may elbow in a few more words, some of your points are easily refuted by what is presented on screen. And speaking as a holier-than-thou film student, the film may be more rewarding if you approach it simply as the story of a family trying to understand their daughter. Hence, the film's catharsis revolves around the house feeling "calm and peaceful" after the family unearths the threesome and the doppelganger. In Ray's tapes, Alice says she feels as if she carries a heavy burden, those burdens being the sex tape and the encounter with her doppelganger (nothing else is presented for us to infer otherwise). It's all connected dramatically. They call it a story arc.

The story, the entire plot, was about her ghost trying to unload this burden, while at the same time her family unloads their grief by understanding her last moments. It's no coincidence that the final scene involves an intertwining of dreams between mother and daughter. Yeah. Screenwriting 101 kinda tends to make one read between the lines. Bad habit. Anyway, hope this helps.

This film is ultimately about dealing with grief, and is not supposed to be like Paranormal Activity. If IMDb suggested it to you from the Paranormal Activity page, then you were tricked by an automated algorithm that uses keywords to suggest movies. They are similar in form, but different in execution. Allow me to weasel in this logic about the film medium that seems irrefutable:

In music, no one who likes Metallica will accidentally wander into a classical music concert and complain. In the visual arts, no one will accidentally wander into an exhibit they hate. The right audience is always where they should be. But in movies, well, it is not the movie's fault that the wrong person saw it.

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Agreed. The film was simple but effective in that it the audience guessing right to the end and then when we thought we had it figured out. It's revealed there was a ghost all along and we just got distracted.

The performances were good and the film had a convincing style and presentation. I was impressed with how realistic this doc movie was. And I liked that it had me guessing and confused at times. But in the end, there's a bittersweet message here.


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