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I'm trans and I already hate this movie


Full disclosure, I have only read a few articles about this film and have seen it's promotional material. If anyone knows more than me let me know, I don't care about spoilers.

Problems I have:

1. Is the wife of our protagonist meant to be portrayed as some kind of victim of our protagonist's transgender identity? In the trailers she's always complaining and shown to be emotionally distraught. In the real world, for all my friends, if their family or 'friends' are 'suffering' because of their coming out I feel no sympathy for them, they have been harmed in exactly zero ways.

2. To my knowledge no trans people were so much as consulted before or during production, (if I'm wrong here please correct me). This seems like a bunch of cis people hypothesizing on what being trans is like, when they could just ask a trans person.

3. There is too much emphasis on 'the surgery.' All the promotional material seems to include reference to surgery or transition or whatever. In real life this is such a minuscule part of being trans. I am far more concerned with society than I am with any dysphoria. And I hear people talking about transgender people in really disturbing ways that I think they picked up on from this movie.

4. People think Eddie Redman is brave. He isn't.

5. Oscar-bait

Tl;dr I think it is transphobic and oscar-bait.

Anyone want to correct/add to what I said?

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I think you need a psychiatrist who enjoys a challenge.

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*yawn*

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Selfish ignorance to think people related to the trans person don't suffer. Sure, a mother should NEVER be upset if the daughter she raised all her life claims to be a boy, or vice versa, and hell what right does the spouse have to be distraught over the person they've had SEX with claiming they're a different person and want to destroy parts of their body? Nahh, not hurtful for them at all.

"One thing that happens which you may find upsetting is that, despite being so supportive she occasionally "misses her husband" and she can't let go off the old male identity as easily."

What's bull is that anyone would feel this is somehow WRONG. Do you really think if Gerda had been "more educated" she wouldn't be at all upset that the man she married was claiming he shouldn't have been born a freaking man??

"There is too much emphasis on 'the surgery.' All the promotional material seems to include reference to surgery or transition or whatever. In real life this is such a minuscule part of being trans. I am far more concerned with society than I am with any dysphoria. And I hear people talking about transgender people in really disturbing ways that I think they picked up on from this movie."

..Seriously? This movie is the cause of so much trans-prejudices today? And it's so new too, that's quite a feat. And the surgery is a MINOR part of being trans; what's the major part then if not trying to become the sex you're certain you were meant to be, while you're living in the wrong body? Just claiming you're a different gender and expecting everyone else to agree?

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Beeping at me isn't going to change your own gall in dismissing other people's pain or making extreme claims. I challenged your words, I did not tell you what being trans is about, and you responded with the same blinded anger you showed the film.

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I'm sorry about about my reply friend, but my tone does not invalidate anything I said, or the fact that you are are terribly misconstruing what I've posted in this thread.

I am so tired of this thread, I really regret posting it, all it did was get me convinced to go see a crappy movie, and bring on a tidal wave of bigoted individuals too mentally incompetent to even begin considering that they are in the wrong.

I've already answered a deluge of gish gallop, and I won't answer yours, you can just browse the rest of this thread if you so desire.

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What bothered me about the movie was when she realized she was a women she sudenly wasn't atracted to women but to men. I don't think trans people suddenly change sexual orientation when they transition do they? what did you think about it?

**Not a native english speaker**

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I don't think trans people suddenly change sexual orientation when they transition do they? what did you think about it?


This is true, there are transgender lesbians and bisexual transgender women, but I thought the movie was implying that Eddie Redmayne's character was never attracted to women in the first place, and instead married out of obligation.

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I thought the movie was implying that Eddie Redmayne's character was never attracted to women
The way I saw it was that he absolutely adored his wife, but as soon as those deeply hidden feelings were allowed to surface - thanks to his wife and their "Bohemian" lifestyle - he was more attracted to her sexuality than her, sexually, if that makes any sense at all. I didn't get the impression that he didn't want her. He just wanted to be like her even more.
It did show that Lily existed since his childhood and his friendship with Hans, but Gerta gave him the freedom and power to explore that and realize his true self as an adult.

"Leave me to do my dark bidding on the internet!"

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He loved her as a friend who he wanted to share clothes with

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How can you "hate" a movie that you've never even seen? Instead of all the conclusions you jumped to, instead of listening to gossip from others or hearing their "translation" of what they saw (people all see different things). "Problems I have:" was a complete waste of time in both you typing it and me reading it. IF you're SO interested in hating the movie yet want answers regarding the movie, don't waste everyone's time when it would be more mentally connective for you to see the damn movie yourself. The wife was NOT a victim, she ENCOURAGED him, for the rest, go see the damn film.

"To my knowledge" no trans people were consulted blah blah blah. That is an easy enough question for you to research yourself. I would have a had time believing that Redmayne would act this part without talking with transgenders. Also, this is "based" on a book almost 100 years old. For authenticity, they would need to film it according to what was known about TG at THAT time. As for all this cis stuff, WTF? People are confused enough with transgendered people then you've got to throw in stuff to make it even more difficult to comprehend.

"There is too much emphasis on the surgery". The surgery scenes were minutes long. In the trailers they were featured more prominently to draw intrigue to the show. As for surgeries being a "miniscule part", would you say that 100 years ago when it was being performed for the FIRST TIME EVER? I would hardly think that was a miniscule deal back then.

Redmayne, brave? Where the Hell did you hear that? It's amazing the crap you're coming up with because you hate a film you refuse to see. Anytime a straight actor plays a part of being gay, kissing another man, wearing a dress and acting properly as a lady, there is some courage involved. Brokeback Mountain - you think Heath and Jake were just jumping up and down at the thought of kissing each other and cuddling together?

Oscar bait? WHY would you say that? Just because Redmayne was in it? The acting WAS superb, as was the wardrobe, cinematography, everything required for a movie to be nominated. As for transphobic? WTF? "Transphobia is a range of antagonistic attitudes and feelings against transgender or transsexual people, or against transsexuality. Transphobia can be emotional disgust, fear, anger or discomfort felt or expressed towards people who do not conform to society's gender expectations." This movie was about as far away from that as possible UNLESS you're throwing the attitudes of the time; immorality, perversion, mental sickness, disgust, hate - then yes, in THAT sense ONLY is the movie transphobic because it makes it REAL for the TIME IT WAS TAKING PLACE.

It truly amazes me the time and effort you put into questioning a movie and "hating" something so much that you haven't even bothered to see and, in fact, REFUSE to see. That makes no logical sense! "I hate this movie - I haven't seen it BUT from a 2 minute trailer, I know ALL that it's about", and finally "I hate this movie I refuse to see but would someone explain it to me, even though it's transphobic and even though it took place 100 years ago". Jesus, someone very close to me in my family is just coming out as transgender - and I certainly hope he's not going to be as skeptical and critical as you.

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Regarding #1, it seems you are unable to comprehend that the family and friends of a trans person might feel emotional disruption of their own at learning of the trans person's change or desire to do so. To me, that seems terribly selfish and self-centered. This isn't to say a trans person shouldn't change or shouldn't reveal their desire to family and friends, but merely that it is selfish for any trans person to simply expect outright acceptance from all family and friends.

We all form emotional attachments to others on different levels and in different ways. It is no more reasonable for a trans person to expect unflinching acceptance than it is for their his/her family and friends to reject the trans person's desire.

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I think you should have watched the movie first before making assumptions, accusations, and generalizations or asking questions. Your questions are practically based on a whole lot of nothing because all you know is what you saw in a 2 or 3 minutes trailer or summarized articles.

1. The wife lost a husband, therefore to a certain degree she "might" be a victim - but does she feel like a victim? I don't think so (again pay attention to the movie and the characters relationship) - she might have lost a husband, but she still has a friend she loves unconditionally.
- The only reason you feel no sympathy for someone who might feel anger and pain because the person they had been married to is no longer who they thought they were is because you are selfish. You haven't been on the other side, so you don't understand the feeling. It's not like the husband left her for another woman - it's the fact that you realize that that person may not have ever been attracted to you and that hurts (a normal feeling).

3. There is literally almost no emphasis on the surgery except at the very end. The main emphasis is the beautiful relationship/love between Eynar/Lili and Gerta. It's the complexity of their relationship and the transition from marriage to friendship.

Redmayne is awesome.

can't outrun your own shadow

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OP, why are you commenting on something you haven't seen? Don't make assumptions based on a short 3 minutes trailer.

Watching the film would have answered your questions!

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Sorry but the wife does have reason to be upset. Her husband is cheating on her the whole movie and becoming someone she didn't marry. You sound very selfish.

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