repulsive sex scenes - Se, jie (2007) Discussion

[–] dagrattle 16 years ago

I'd say because she realized that the plan the resistance had had - that they would trap him by sex, that had been running up against all sorts of roadblocks for years - was finally *working*. They had begun to ensnare Mr. Yee.

*Not* because she was so much into kinky sex. *sigh*

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[–] dagrattle 16 years ago

You just spent quite a bit of time near-spamming the board about what, in the end, is your personal opinion.

You didn't like it, fine. But you're going far beyond "I don't like this movie" into ad hominem attacks (and, frankly, missing a lot of the movie because of the surface layer).

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[–] stupidhumanzz 16 years ago

(don't feed the trolls, please =))

I was puzzled by the smile as well.

I was pretty sure what I had just seen was indeed rape. But there is a saying that circulates around women's help groups that I feel is appropriate:

"Victim of circumstance, survivor by choice"

things are still going according to plan for her.

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[–] jnagarya-1 15 years ago

If she's a slut then so is he.

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[–] JusticeForHumanity 16 years ago

She wasn't raped.

She knew what she was going to his place to sleep with him. She just didn't expect him to be as "rough" as we was.

You people just can't take a different type of sex scene in movies. Now, had she been screaming and yelling "NO - Stop!" then I would agree it was rape.

However she knew why she was going there to meet him. She even trained and slept with that skinny guy because she was a virgin and needed the practice to sleep with the enemy.

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[–] iseepinkelefants 16 years ago

I thought it was a great scene. It shows what a monster he is, but also shows how he changes throughout the movie. I think she smiles because she has him so to speak. Unlike most women who would be afraid of that sort of thing she keeps coming back. And unlike her first time she feels something. Even if he extremely agressive with her, but that's just the type of man he is. He tortures people for a living, he knows no other way, but eventually he opens up to her. With her he's no longer afraid of the dark.

"Look lady I don't come down to where you work and slap the d!ck out of your mouth".

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[–] lorddowneyrn 16 years ago

yes the point is he started off angry/in control in the first scene and then it evolved to something different for him as the relationship progressed.

You are supposed to be shocked by it, and yes she knew she was going to be having sex that first time, she got her way.

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[–] iseepinkelefants 16 years ago

Except I think she was caught a little off guard by it. She expected to be in control.

"Look lady I don't come down to where you work and slap the d!ck out of your mouth".

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[–] FrizBTau 16 years ago

The lack of discussion over this movie means that hopefully many people avoided it. I'm amazed that there was a worse movie than "Love in the Time of Cholera" on the Golden Globe list, I've left movies such as After the Wedding until the end and had a nive suprise, but this movie was just awful.

The sex scenes were over the top, I can see why it got the NC-17, all of which was unnecessary additions to the movie, no movie that isn't an "epic" should be this long. I'm not sure how to put my finger on Tim Squyres editing since Syriana and Hulk were edited well.

Avoid this movie 2/10

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[–] jnagarya-1 15 years ago

The sex scenes were "over the top"!? Then I guess any sex at all is, to you, 'way too much, even when normal -- but especially when committed and passionate.

I can understand the viewer feeling vulnerable while watching those scenes -- they are that amazing in those terms; but to take it so personal as to claim that which was quite normal was "over the top" is -- well -- over the top.

I'll bet even when alone you undress in the dark.

Or do you also shower/bath with your clothes on?

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[–] melinda2001 16 years ago

People's kinks don't come from their jobs so it's funny to me to hear people suggesting that. I expect that if he turned out to be a sub in bed that people would say "sure, he has to always be in charge at work so it makes sense that he'd want someone else to be responsible in bed."

I agree that she smiled at least partly because she knew that she now had him hooked but I think that she was also amused and impressed with the way he turned the tables on her. She might even like rough sex. Lots of women do, and far more fantasize about that sort of thing. Personally I almost always find sex scenes painful to watch because the actors seem too unnatural but these scenes were done with such believable abandon that I thought it was the best part of an otherwise somewhat slow movie. Also, the rich lighting and beautiful bodies made it fun to watch.

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[–] jnagarya-1 15 years ago

"these scenes were done with such believable abandon"

Exactly -- and I think that goes to director Ang Lee's compassion. And that he apparently establishes, before all else, trust.

The unease -- the vulnerability -- some feel watching the scenes are result of the fact that the two in those scenes were so overtly vulnerable.

Otherwise, those scenes were a necessary dimension to the full relationship -- and I thank and respect Ang Lee's courage in doing it.

"Slow" film"? Some tend to think that of Ang Lee's films because they are character-centered, and it takes time to develop complex characters.

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[–] jnagarya-1 15 years ago

Of course she went there knowing it was about sex. In fact, she began undressing for that when he got violent with her.

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[–] johnmichael-2 16 years ago

Was she in love with him by then? I feel she didn't enjoy the sex at all, but at the same time it made her feel more deeply than she ever felt. And in the end she was in love with Yee; otherwise she wouldn't have told him to "Go, now."

Also maybe Wong Chai Chi had some masochism in her. Like in "Secretary."

Proud member of SHREWS (Society for the Honor Required of Eyes Wide Shut)

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[–] darkeval 16 years ago

She really enjoyed all of it, they both did, a lot. There's nothing wrong with a little rough sex, as long as both are into it, and many people like it that way. They were perfect sex partners, made for each other. You could tell she really fell in love with him after their first time together in bed, in the way she hated him for being away from her the next 4 days. And the incredible sex they had after that.

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[–] lips_are_important 16 years ago

darkeval, I think you're the first person on this thread to get it. Most everyone else is over thinking this. She smiled because, well, she liked it. May not be a comfortable idea for everyone to grasp, but that's clearly what was happening.

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[–] jnagarya-1 16 years ago

She smiled because she had finally accomplished the first step: getting him to commit to a sexual relationship. She wasn't, at that point, there for the sex -- any more than she slept with the member of her "cell" -- except as it furthered the process of seducing him into trusting her.

As for her "hating" him for being away? No: she had mixed feelings: she both genuinely missed him, and hated him.

Apparently having more than one feeling at the same time is too complicated and maturely realistic for some to grasp.

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[–] tommykins-1 16 years ago

I think that what is even more striking is that the OP rhodox who feels that images of adults enjoying sex together (in the context of a film/story) are "repulsive" is that the Communist Chinese government agrees with him.

The Chinese Communists have condemned this film and the female lead Wei Tang. But they didn't dare go so far as to badmouth the male lead Tony Leung who is the most popular film actor in China.

In my mind, this shows that both the Communists and the right wing religious nuts here in the US who are afraid of sex, and who hate it, think alike.

"Stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" - Will Rogers

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[–] jnagarya-1 15 years ago

Tony Leung is a phenomenal actor. And he really shows his chops in this film.

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[–] kjhuang17 13 years ago

Bit of guilt by association here, I think. There's nothing inherent about Communism that requires censoring sex scenes, or doing anything about sex for that matter. The Chinese government did censor the sex scenes but they censor all kinds of other things as well (including the key line where Wang says "Go quickly!"), and it has nothing to do with being Communists and everything to do with being uptight.

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[–] rfniligxkx 15 years ago

As for her "hating" him for being away? No: she had mixed feelings: she both genuinely missed him, and hated him.

She was manipulating him and telling him what she thought he would want to hear/believe.

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[–] jnagarya-1 15 years ago

Of course she was manipulating him -- she had been from the outset. But within that a serious relationship developed nonetheless.

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[–] katey525 15 years ago

I agree, I think she liked it from the get go. I think even at their first meeting in 1937 she might have imagined herself in bed with him.

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[–] pegasus8228 16 years ago

it was not 'abuse'

YEE was suspicious and searched her (and perhaps somehow aroused during the search). so yes, Wang smiled because she knew she suceeded, and also that she knew he won;t kill her.

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[–] DarcyBrandon 13 years ago

Didn't find the sex scene repulsive but I was caught off guard with how rough it got

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[–] HalRagland 13 years ago

What were you expecting, the feel good romance movie of the season? This is a spy thriller set in WWII Shanghai and Hong Kong.

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