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What if Joshua isn't Evil?


This film was kind of weird in that it is so ambiguous. It shows the little kid being kind and loving to all the members of his family, and never shows him doing anything evil (he does disturbed things but nothing that shows intent to cause harm). The only horror is in the creepy score and surprise camera angles.

The back of my DVD says "is it all a series of eerie coincidences... or the calculated agenda of a sinister sibling with the perfect plan for revenge?" and this question is what i was left asking at the end.

On the basis of the evidence, I could argue strongly for the kid's case - he never felt loved his whole life, and after Lily was born he was abused by his mother first and then his father. And there is the title "Devil's Child" - are his parents the ones who are evil? They are certainly not model parents.

I would compare it to the book "The Turn of the Screw" in which a governess believes her two angelic charges are in the thrall of an evil spirit, and eventually kills them, though from her account of the events, there is no actual evidence.

This movie is not quite like that, in that the child ends up safe. I personally felt like it was a happy ending.


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He faked it, badly, every time he showed loving emotion and the film made a point of showing this. The best example is the scene where he exactly emulates his father's emotion over the death of his dog. He has no idea why normal people show emotion the way they do, and so he simply copies them.

Just because he was able to hide the evidence (made a lot easier by the way since no one suspected a nine-year-old) doesn't mean he never did anything. Most of what goes on does so between the lines but the film was not ambiguous about who is responsible. There is also hard evidence in the tape he made that his father found and the embalmed pet near the very end of the film.

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He has no idea why normal people show emotion the way they do, and so he simply copies them.

This is correct. Textbook definition of sociopath.

Then again, it's probably difficult to call him EVIL per se because he probably has no understanding that what he's doing is WRONG. Sociopaths are prone to lying and manipulating people to get what they want without really grasping the concept of right and wrong. Which is what he did.
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He wasn't loved? His parents treated him well by any standards. Obviously they thought he was a genius and were very proud of him. He was just mentally ill, like the mother. So he got bad ideas into his head, and after that the mother's illnes resurfaced and the whole family broke down like dominoes.

The only mistake they did was not interpreting the signs the kid made correctly earlier.

But for evil people to do good things, that takes Islam

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You know, I really do wish that it was that ambiguous. But I think the film makes it fairly clear that Joshua's at fault. He's just an evil little kid.

This is what ruined it for me. I was hoping for something more than just another "sinister child" movie. And despite an effective first half, this one basically degenerated into that.

What a shame.

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I'd say he's more damaged than evil. Watching his baby videos tipped him over the edge - only then did he start hurting his sister.

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I wholeheartedly agree with you that he wasn't evil. He was just a child that felt like he didn't fit in with his parents and like he wasn't loved. His parents were horrible people. All he wanted was to feel like his parents cared about him, but all they did was ignore him. They ignored him even more after the baby was born.

I think his bizarre behavior such as collapsing at the piano recital and slicing the teddy bear was just Joshua trying to get his parents to pay attention to him, but when that didn't work, he decided to do whatever it took to get away from his parents...which is why he drew those pictures for the psychologist. He knew they would suspect abuse and take him out of the home, and that's what he wanted. He didn't feel like he belonged with those parents. He felt like he belonged with his uncle, and he felt like his uncle was the only one who cared whether he was dead or alive. His uncle was the only one who truly understood him, He expresses those feelings with the lyrics of the song he played at the end.

As for the grandmother and dog, it didn't show Joshua kill them on screen. So their deaths could have been bizarre coincidences for all we know. We have no proof Joshua killed them. If Joshua wanting love, feeling like he belonged, wanting to be understood, and wanting to feel like he was not alone makes Joshua evil, then we're all evil because we all want these things.

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Maybe the video was just in the dad imagination. He would have brought it up again if it was real.

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I never thought of that theory before, but it certainly is interesting. I think the video showed that his parents were focusing all their love and attention on the baby, so it caused Joshua to blame her for it and it caused him to resent her.

Come, fly the teeth of the wind. Share my wings.

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And is it any wonder why? If your parents were like the ones in this movie, you'd want to get away from them too.

Come, fly the teeth of the wind. Share my wings.

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I don't know who would be worse to have as parents, the ones from this movie or Arnold Schwarzenegger. I think it would be a tie.

Come, fly the teeth of the wind. Share my wings.

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** SPOILERS**

Well, the filmmaker was actually trying to get a mixed reaction by the end of the film: that some people would think Joshua was evil and that other people would root for Joshua. So, the filmmaker intentionally did not show Joshua physically hurting others.


However, according to the filmmaker and writer of the story, Joshua IS evil.





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Here we go, another IMDb user that reads way too much into a movie and overanalyses it......it is what it is.....a movie about a sociopathic child who is evil......watch the running commentary on the DVD and it will confirm that for you.

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