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Mistakes and unrealistic things about Jericho


Okay, maybe there are already dozens of threads and posts about this, but i don't really care and i don't want to search.
I started watching all the episodes of jericho again 2 weeks ago and now have reached the final of season one.

So.. heres a quick list of things that bugged me the most:

-- First off, the terrorist, anarchists or whoever "blew up" those cities used 20kt bombs (repeat: 20 kilotons! thats about as much as was used in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings, and those cities only had about 150,000 to 200,000 people each!!!) for their attacks. Those bombs could NEVER EVER take out a city the scale of Chicago, New York, Denver or Los Angeles. Washington DC might be another story because its much smaller, but not even Washington would be "wiped out" as it was stated in the series so often.
You can check the effects here: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html. Set your yield, chose your city or pick your coordinates from google maps and go. You will see, a 20kt bomb would barely take out Manhattan...
I'm not considering radiation or fires from heat radiation here (which, in ground burst of a yield that low, would most likely be not that destructive)

-- Second. A nuclear air burst creating an EMP burst so powerful to take out the whole United States teritory has to take place in about 200 miles height. No terrorist plane could EVER reach this height, and i highly doubt that the terrorist got their hands on one of the ICBM silos. Because in that case, they could have really wiped out those cities in the first place ;) (taking into consideration that most of modern ICMBs carry MIRVs, that can similary strike on up to 10 targets each.
However, it might be possible that the EMP burst attack was some sort of counter attack by North Korea or Iran. Not very realistic, but still possible...

-- Third. More like a funny mistake the crew made i think (don't know if its on the goofs page, was too lazy to look it up). After the electric power, food and other ressources run out, everyone is using candles to make light. Apparrently, Jericho has an unlimited stock of candles or some kind of hidden candle factory, as they never run empty in those two months ^^ (and they use plenty of them in every room)

-- Next thing.. if the rain from the fallout was really radioactive, so must have been the crops, the earth and everything else the rain came into contact with. The rain of course must not have been (highly) radioactive because Stanley survived beeing exposed for about 20 minutes. But IF IT WAS, all plants, crops, the top layer of earth and clay and, in the worst case, even the ground water would have been polluted.
This is not that bad, as you can just wash the dirt away from the buildings (with radioactive water :D) and carry of the polluted earth. They just should not eat the crops. Oh well...

Well, i can' remember any more points to add right now, but feel free to add yours, comment or flame me down because i challenged fiction again...

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-Hawkins dropping a trailer full of automatic weapons to the town to defend the town from New Bern yet he doesnt do this while needing to defend the town from Blackwater a couple of weeks before.

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-Defending yourself from automatic rifles by hiding behind wooden pallets.

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-Out of a town of apparently 5000 people they can only field a hundred or able bodied men. What? Did 90 per cent of the town die or something? The series never mentioned any mass starvation/pestilence/violence/etc. in Jericho, so I guess I'll just have to assume they were too cheap to hire more extras.

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-Banks that disappear.

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"Bank that disappear"

Actually with today's markets, that is very realistic.

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"Actually with today's markets, that is very realistic."
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Sadly, you're wrong. Banks that should disappear, don't.

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LOL! :D

Dr. Kila Marr was right. Kill the Crystalline Entity.

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Here in the Netherlands a mid sized bank (DSB Bank) completely collapsed yesterday after a run on the bank, leaving 400,000 folks with almost no money, and they could only get 250 euros from their account per day until tomorrow when their accounts will be completely frozen. They will have to wait 3 months to get hold of the rest and only to a maximum of 100,000 euros. Ppl with more money in their accounts can forget about ever seeing any of the rest.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125534716283180031.html

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Yeah - they'll get bailed out again - and they'll get immunity from nuclear strikes

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But they mentioned that many of the original citizens left due to the lack of food, electricity and other supplies, and of course security. Maybe not half or more of the town, but many. AND i highly doubt that they have enough weapons and ammo to stock up a whole regiment of men, women and children...

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The rain wasn't radioactive, Hawkins used that as a cover to move the bomb. Didn't he say that in AKA.

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yeah and besides Jericho was the rally point for this exact reason.

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the whole town is not made up entirely of able bodied men. There are women children and people that are too old and/or sick to be of any help. And alot of people have died.

"Why the *beep* would I blow up Chick-fil-A? It's *beep* delicious."

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the whole town is not made up entirely of able bodied men. There are women children and people that are too old and/or sick to be of any help. And alot of people have died.

"Why the *beep* would I blow up Chick-fil-A? It's *beep* delicious."

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actually there was a point that they mentioned people leaving to migrate south... but still that was weird they couldn't find more people to defend

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Jake asked Hawkings that same question and Hawkings responding with some like "I didn't think I would be defending my town." Also, Hawkings didn't have anyone who knew his secret during Raven Wood (not Blackwater) incident.

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When Hawkins takes him to his storage locker:


Jake: "You had this stash of weapons the whole time?"

Hawkins: "I never thought I would be calling this town my home."

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When you said Blackwater you meant Ravenwood right?😄

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I always assumed it was the government at Cheyenne that launched the ICBMs and detonating them for their EMP effect.

Let the truth be known though the Heavens may fall...

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Yes, Tomrachio said that he ordered the launching. Why the EMP and how the hell he managed to get them launched without the Football, the writers only know.

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I'll assume that Cheyenne is designed with continuation of government in mind. So, it would make sense, for retaliation purposes, there would need to be some ability for them to be able to launch their nuclear arsenal. I believe that nuclear submarine captains are also able to deploy their nuclear arsenal without the "football."


Let the truth be known though the Heavens may fall...

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But nuclear sub captains need orders to launch. Orders come through the "football."

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Well, I guess in your world, in the case of a first strike against the United States that takes out the capital, there would be no possible way for the United States to retaliate. However, it is my understanding the the nuclear football contains the presidential authorization codes for the launch of nuclear weapons. But, I do not believe that captains of nuclear subs, or nuclear facilities require the codes to activate the launch sequence. The need the authorization for legal use of the nuclear weapons, but they don't need the code to launch the nukes within their facilities. If only one person had the nuclear codes to all the nukes of our nation,, then all an opposing nuclear power would have to do is take out the capital or were ever the president happens to be, and then launch a massive nuclear strike --- since there would be no possible way for the United States to retaliate.

Let the truth be known though the Heavens may fall...

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Absolutely correct.

As i havent watched season two yet (i'm from germany so i have to import ^^) i did not know that cheyenne launched the icmbs, but that may be it.

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oh you haven't seen season 2 yet? oh i sorry.
*^*^I Like being WEIRD*^*^

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Plan R for Romeo.

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A Ballistic Missile Submarine (Boomer) Captain CAN launch his birds without a "football". Boomers are designed for autonomous attack in cases loss of contact with NMCA .He would NOT be able to do it by himself because of the two person failsafe system. Did anyone see Crimson Tide? The whole point of having these middle subs out there is to be our power projection in a case when the NMCA were knocked out. It's not logical to not allow a sub captain Fe authority to self launch in time of war. What if DC were nuked? Chaos would rain and it woul take hours if not days to figure out who was in charge who owned the "football". Should the subs capable of launching against the attackers while politicians argue over who is in charge??

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Yes they could, but it would take the cooperation of all the officers and most of the crew.

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Yes I agree, the show isn't 100% realistic. Still it's pretty awesome, definately my favorite show of all time!

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-in heart of winter stanly takes his jacket off and puts it around jake. then they cut the camaras and the jacket isn't on jake. then they cut the camara's agian and it's back on jake. lol.

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This is minor, but still bothered me... I wonder how Jake managed to move the pallets of food by himself from the train? That kid is a one man teamster crew!



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I thought Dail moved all the food from the train???? Yeah but that's true.

-Suzanna is going to kill her husband on their honey moon-

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Dale moved it with the assistance of Mitchell and his men and vehicles. That is how he got involved with them.

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Clearly the bombs didn't take out the entire cities but would have certainly destroyed a big part of them and left much of the surrounding area uninhabitable due to radiation and all

did they ever say anywhere that the EMP shut down the entire US? I've seen both seasons 3 full times and that was never stated as far as I recall

how hard is it to make candles? honestly?

Obviously the rain wasn't radioactive, they practically said that outright in Episode 2: "Fallout"



One more thing people need to remember, it's a TV show!! They didn't have a thousand men fighting Ravenwood (not Blackwater, genius, they're the real ones) because could a film crew really contol that many extras?

they hide behind pieces of wood because, again, it's a TV show, get over it

and yes it was Dale that found the train



you all need to get your facts (and spelling) straight before joining a conversation

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Thank you tay-14, my thoughts exactly.

Just one last thing about the food from the train. Nobody was moving pallets since there was no fork lift or truck available. Which means only one thing, the food had to be pulled out by hand... Then again, pallets are wrapped in impenetrable plastic wrap, so who knows?

I wonder if I was sarcastic enough?

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I always believed that the reason that Hawkins never shared the guns when Ravenwood came knocking was that he didn't want to tip his hand. Right when he started distributing the rifles, he told Darcy something along the lines of, "I never thought I'd find myself fighting for this town."

Hawkins didn't share before because the town and its inhabitants didn't really matter to him at that point. Ravenwood shoot everything up? Any that tried to mess with him or his family would be dead very quick, and the nuke would remain safe and hidden no matter what. Worst case scenario, he hides the nuke somewhere else, takes his family and leaves.

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I thought the same thing about the candles. I'm glad the women aren't wearing make-up (or obviously anyway). However, are the 40+ women still finding time to dye their gray roots?


Someday you and I are going to have a serious disagreement.

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I wondered the same thing about hair dye, lol! April seemed to be a natural red-head, but Gail still having auburn hair at almost 60? I don't think so. Same goes for Emily...I loved her hair but, it definitely isn't natural. Still, I love the show, so it would be nice if for comic relief it showed the women trying to come up with some sort of natural dyes and the varying results. Sometimes the show was a little *too* intense and could have used the comic relief.

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I agree with you about Hawkings. He was clearly trying to maintain his cover when Ravenwood came and he was able to do so because they weren't a huge threat to him or his family. Had they not been stopped, they would've came, taken a bunch of resources, fired on any who resisted, and left (Hawkings could've easily kept his family safe from them). Which is a huge difference from the threat New Baun posed - They had the town mostly surrounded and were very likely intending to take it all. Getting the bomb, his family, and enough supplies so they could survive the winter, out of town during all that would've been very difficult. Plus, he clearly came to care at that point and wanted to protect the town and the people there.

Regardless, he had a valid plan to fight Ravenwood off without arming the townspeople so he didn't need to reveal so much at that early stage and, also, arming the townspeople before he developed the kind of relationships that he had by the end of the season, would've been bad for him if he couldn't convince them he wasn't a terrorist. He knew this all too well, which is part of why he did everything he could to avoid the truth until backed into a corner.

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In regards to Dale and the food. In a later episode it is mentioned that Dale made a deal with Jonah Proust to get the food off the train and Dale used his cut to restock Gracie's.

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The only things that kind of got on my nerves were some of the small things regarding the Army. For instance when they declared martial law and the soldiers were marching in formation down the middle of the street. Or how Major Beck had goggles on his kevlar, I've never once have seen an officer wearing goggles, even when I was in Iraq. Small things that you wouldn't notice if you were never in the military, but they should have brought in some type of advisor for this type of stuff.

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Jericho's depiction of U.S. soldiers was fairly realistic though, otherwise. I feel like the media gets fictional depictions of the military a bit better and better with each passing project.

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that happened to me a few times on these boards, LOL.. couldn't resist commenting.

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Actually, the fallout could cause the rain to be very radioactive in some spots and not in others. The places getting the first rain(or the heaviest), and the places where the rain collected could end up being much more radioactive than other areas. If the rain started falling somewhere else, then arrived at Jericho, it could have washed out most of the fallout from the air. There's a name for the phenomenon, either rain-out or washout. I'd have to check The Effects of Nuclear Weapons to refresh my memory.

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Just a few quick responses most of which was already brought up.

First: A 20KT bomb is still plenty destructive. Hiroshima and Nagasaki had death toolls in only the thousands yes but they were small cities. In NYC the population is tightly compact so in the same area in a big city like New York a 20KT bomb could easily take out 1-2 million+ depending where it was detonated. Some city streets and skyscrappers alone have more people in them than Hiroshima! Imagine a few buildings each with 10-50,000 person capasities being in the blast radius? Even those outside of the blast area would have to be evacuated and the fires and fallout would likely burn away their homes as the fire will just keeping spreading with so many flamable buildings for miles around. We are talking the evacuation of maybe 10 million or more people many of whom will be injured and diseased. With this happening in our 23 largest cities simultenously with our government wiped out completely unable to assist or coordinate any rescue effort. That would be total chaos. According to the series though the deathtoll was 15 million so that means each city had an average deathtoll of maybe a half million or so with a few having more. In addition 40 million were reported as homeless so the numbers do seem to add up taking into account the bomb size, locations and # of targets.

Second: Yes as has been pointed out Tomarchio appeared to have launched the missles causing the EMP. It was never revealed in the series why he'd want to wipe out the power in his own country. Perhaps it was an accident during launch. My own personal speculation was that the EMP was stage two of his plan, wipe out communication so that when his people come and restore communications they'll have total media control and will be able to moniter every communication going on in the country.

Third: Point taken. I imagine that is a goof but as someone said how hard is it to make candles and it's not like they get used up that fast. In AKA Hawkins explained that Jericho was picked as a rally point if they failed to prevent the attack. Jericho was picked because it was far from most major targets, had salt, an uncontaminated underground water table and alot of farms which under normal circumstances would probably sell most of the crops rather than survive on them personally. When the fake marines and later Tomarchio's men came around they each mentioned Jericho was faring better than the majority of the country and that is saying alot as they had little food or supplies still. In New Bern the next town over people were starving leading to war. So for Jericho's supplies to last as long as they did is realistic.

Fourth: You have a point here too. The fallout probably shouldn't even have reached them that far away but since Stanley was ok we might suppossed to assume people panicked too much to very light fallout. As was shown in the series they had no idea how to deal with any of this stuff, better safe than sorry. Their info came solely from Hawkins and a phamphlet from 1957!

And yes Hawkins does mention that he kept the guns secret cause he didn't yet consider Jericho home and wanted to avoid being outed as a terror suspect. He was already a suspect so just happening to have a huge stockpile of guns doesn't help to draw suspicion away from him! Generally speaking even huge gun enthusiasts don't have guns to supply a town like that. You figure anyone with that many guns is planning on doing more than hunting and personal self defense, you don't need an armory for that!

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Everything Zeta said is perfect and to the point.
Once a year, due to my job, I get NIMS training.
This training is to bring all these different agencies under one system in case of emergency.
We always go over terrorist attacks and it is amazing to find out that the people you work with have what they have. I personally know a gentlemen(really nice guy)who has over 100 guns at his house.
There are many other who have plenty of firearms and food stored.
Remember this show takes place in a "hick" town, they are usually well armed and I would have to believe they would have to know how to make a couple of candles.
All of the Original posters questions could have been answered if he paid attention to the show(IT WAS NEVER TERRORISTS-IT WAS JENNINGS AND RALL AND OUR OWN GOVERNMENT)

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As someone mentioned please get your facts straight before posting OP had no clue whatsoever...

Anyway one thing I found very weird was the amount of fuel New Bern had... I mean in Jericho they had to save it 'cause they were running very low (even though they drove alot more then seemed realistic). But in New Bern they where really driving around escorting people in and out of town, not to mention when they attacked. Came with a caravan of trucks and that was many months after the bombs. Kinda feels like they would be pretty low on fuel by then...

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New Bern was a much larger town or city than Jericho-so you would have to think that there was more than one Gas station to pump from, which was the case in jericho.

Plus I like to think that only that little militia of men had the access to the fuel, so it seems likely to me.

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I haven't finished the series yet, but here's a few things I've noticed so far:

About the guns (I saw some people above questioning the number of guns in the town), I grew up in a "hick town" in Kansas, and yes, people do have lots of guns. Many people hunt and shoot for fun. My parents have at least 30-40 guns of all shapes in sizes: rifles, shotguns, handguns, blackpowder guns.

You can't buy wine at a grocery store in Kansas.

The kind of corn is not the kind people eat for "corn on the cob", like was implied when they were harvesting the field. That corn is grown for things like fuel and animal feed.

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If there is nothing left to eat, and you have eaten all the cows, then, you eat the nasty cow corn. At least you are eating something. I would guess people would eat a lot of things they usually don't. (Heck they might even eat bugs)

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Did they ever say exactly what they did with Sarahs' body?

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yea they show hawkins burying it.

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I'm fairly sure that humans cannot digest field corn.

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Yes, it's called corn meal. But.. I agree with the person you are disagreeing with

You didn't always take me where I wanted to go.
No, but I always took you where you needed to go.

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For the love of God, you people ALL need to stop watching T.V. and go out, anywhere, just do something else for a few days!

Yes challenged "fiction" not fact just a T.V. show!

Maybe try getting laid?

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yea, i think during one episode I was getting laid.
NO NO NO not the outside, it scares me, don't make me.

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Well just what are you doing here then?

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