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For those who Don't 'Get' This Movie


Here's someone who does.

http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A234664

just a quote

"As the film unfolds, Pencil's death taps into a core of outrage inside Peggy, a fatigue at her interests being pushed to life's margins as a single, childless woman of a certain age expected not to make unnecessary demands on people's time and attention.

It is from this exasperation that Mike White charts Peggy's transformation into a pit bull, demanding respect and attention for her needs and interests. Pencil's death reveals other deaths to Peggy: the casual and wanton destruction of dogs at the animal shelter, the medical lab, the factory and grocery store. Some have fixated on how Peggy becomes a vegan as if Year of the Dog were some shrill PETA political tract. But animals' rights and a vegan lifestyle can be interpreted to some extent as the agent of Peggy's self-actualization. What she principally discovers are the limits to society's kindness and its facade of normalcy. There is killing going on beneath the scrim of reality, and Peggy begins to equate society's casual disregard for the lives of animals with that of her own life."

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i totally identified with this movie. peggy is just like me! and i love being me. there are so many things people should be conscious about.

i love the metamorphosis peggy goes through. it happened to me and i have seen people going through it.

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I loved this movie. It broke my heart, made me laugh and cry at the same time. The writing was brilliant and I identified with Peggy too. We all go a little nuts when we find out what is actually happening to animals and how little we can do about it.

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OK: I 'get' that.

What I hated, and what is depressing me so much right now, is how she never acknowledged the value of human life and interaction through all of this. The first person she cared about enough to want to be with (Saarsgard) can't be with her so she can no longer see even the possibility of gratification through a human. Her relationship with her niece had the potential to be beautiful, but instead of seeing it that way, that she can share so much and connect with another person, even mold her to be like her and care about the things she does, she continues to look for the next crusade to fight for the animals by herself. What she thought was her selflessness was really disgustingly selfish, isolating herself from humanity to fight for animals. I think the movie missed the mark horribly.

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I think you were disappointed that Peggy did not continue to be the wet blanket, dumped on and used by everyone around her.

Finding herself and her interests is not selfish.

Maybe you expect women to be just tools for others?

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Kevin, you seem to have a fondness for conspiracy theories

Watch out, those animal rights activists are under your bed waiting to grab you!

Maybe you should stick to movies like Nacho Libre

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I'm pretty sure you're making a joke, but just in case...
You know Mike White co-wrote Nacho Libre, don't you?

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>>Watch out, those animal rights activists are under your bed waiting to grab you!
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Shucks, you say that as if there aren't dozens of legal instances of animal rights nutcases in PETA, the ALF and so forth assaulting, threatening and vandalizing people and property.

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Brother. People are not the be all and end all. Why do you think our world is falling apart? Because we are so human centric. Get a clue.

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I'm not a PETA/vegan conspiracy theorist, I could have been OK with her being an empowered protest all-star but would rather have seen her do it without isolating herself from all of her human counterparts. I know people are by no means the be all and end all, but neither is any group or cause. Balance, say between one's calling and a person that can share that with them (niece niece niece) is the way our human centric world works.

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Also:
It seemed like less like her "finding herself" and more like her losing her *beep*
15 dogs and attempted murder.
Anyone who identifies with Peggy is a mass-adoption away from being one of those crazy dog ladies. You know the ones.
[http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f68/hcpr/simpsons_CrazyCatLady.jpg]
[just pretend those are dogs.]

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You are so right. Peggy is absolutely pathetic, plus she had no obvious charisma with any of the dogs. What a boring, awful movie. I wish that I would not have wasted my time or my money.

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Obviosly the death of pencil effected her more then you would think ...that´s what made her crazy...until she came to deal with the fact that he was dead.
Everybody around her did not realise what a big tragedy pencils death was and did not let her morn. A mother that looses her child would alsou go crazy if everybody around her was like " hey lets go get drinks ...to cheer you up". Like her life and her dog wasent importent.
At the same time she realised all the animal abuse and could relate that nobody cared for those animals either....even if they where importent like pencil was.
In the end she got to feel the sorrow and got support for it wasent a silly ting anymore, so it helped. But she couldent be like them anymore and be blind to the animals in need.

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You are so wrong

Think for a minute. The niece started out as a spoiled, selfish brat. (Remember her just taking brother Benjy's gift toy?)

Yet thanks to Peggy and Peggy's emotional journey, the little girl Lizzie actually becomes able to empathize, for animals AND for Peggy and other people.

First, she starts to question why Aunt Peggy is so sad when the other adults could care less and treat Peggy without an ounce of concern.

And by the time Peggy has hit the lowest point, this little girl reaches out to her aunt and they share a very close, emotional moment. "Aunt Peggy, why are you sorry? You love animals. I love animals too."

This is a very touching moment. Peggy has helped this little girl expand her horizons from the selfish, suburban trap she's caught in.

And that is a very real connection between 2 PEOPLE and a very fine balance.

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Ditto what you just said. There are issues worth spending your time on besides humans. Hell, half the time I don't feel like having any relationships with people either with the way humans behave. To other humans, and to animals.

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You hit it on the head KB. This woman was selfish and single minded. I wonder if her sister in law finds out that her furs are destroyed by her wine filled stupor of saving the animals boy,it would calamitous plus shoving down the throats of the people around her. If anyone hates PETA and the vegan movement watch this flick.

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So because she was "forgiven" she should stay there, work an unfulfilling job and be the timid chick she was before...and just forget that she was enlightened? I would say that helping animals IS MORE important than being polite and appreciative to a few people.

(Hmm...let an animal die or not upset my brother..let's see..???)

You probably were hoping she would close the computer screen and have a latte....The End. Then she could go back to being like a good majority of the population...self-involved. The point of the movie was that she found herself and didn't give in to what's "expected" of her.

Instead, the ending of the movie showed Molly Shannon finding the balance by making a difference with a group of other caring people.

If you start researching factory farms, it is very easy to be haunted by the images and become obsessed with saving every animal and trying to educate everyone else, whether they like it or not....but most of us find that balance. This movie, though not perfect, is a decent portrayal of the journey:)

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The point of the movie was that she found herself and didn't give in to what's "expected" of her.

Nicely said :)

some of the responses in this thread reveal the (unfounded) bias that there are only 'certain' ways of being truly happy/healthy.

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"Kevinbrunetto," how in the hell is she saying animals are more important than humans just because she went off to go protest?? Was she choosing to try and save the animal lives over the human lives she left behind...uh, no. They're going to be there when she gets back. Alive and well. She's trying to say that animals shouldn't be treated the way they are, just because they don't have the mental capacity that humans do. Which is what ALL of PETA tries to say. And what the hell is wrong with being a vegan, or vegetarian? You should admire people like that because they actually have the heart to care about lives that have no connection to them, that they actually change they're whole diet in order to try and salvage them...which is more then I can say for you I bet.

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as if to say that animals are more important than people


Well...to her, they are. That's the way she feels. There's no right or wrong about this, no objective evaluation of "clearly, people are more important than animals." To some people, people are more important; to others, animals are just as or more important than people.

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I think you are stupid! it's not about animals or humans, it's about lives that ARE equal no matter in what shape you were born (with human head or animal head). You look at them from height like you're someone special, but what are you doing to make this world a better place? You just live and breathe and waste your time on nothing.

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'Her relationship with her niece had the potential to be beautiful'

Just thought I'd quote that because I was thinking the same thing. The last scene she had with her niece just showed that they could have quite a nice bond together but instead..

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IT'S JUST A "FEEL GOOD" REMAKE OF "TAXI DRIVER"

I "got" this movie and it is a sad testimoy to our culture's warped understanding of individuality. The whole point of the movie, I think, is that everyone has their own neurotic obsession by which they get through life and Molly finally gets to find hers.

Her brother's family is overprotective of their daughter, her boss is obsessed with where he stands in the company, her neighbor is a hunting fanatic and her best friend (only friend?)is fixated on getting married. Of course, they are all doomed for failure. The friend is marrying a cad, the little girl will grow up with her own emotional baggage, the hunter will kill everything into extinction and her boss will never make it into upper management. Nor is this a pro-PETA movie, as many think, since the director takes equal shots at Molly's deadend philosophy. Everyone is made fun of and shown for the shallowness of their particular obsession. But the good news is that Molly finally gets to find hers. Hurray!

She is as isolated and lonely as Travis Bickle but eventually finds fellowship and belonging with a group that shares her same empty dysfunction. We know she is mourning Pencil, we know her job is meaningless, we know there is no warmth in her home or love in her life and we know everything she does is a pathetic attempt to fill that. But she never does fill it or ever will. For Molly, there is no real self discovery or breaking down of illusions that leads to true self actualization and harmony with the universe. There is only the "self discovery" of her own neurosis("It's good to have a name to describe yourself", she says)and not the healthy, painful road out of it.

The film maker is saying that there is no universal "truth" or standard for what is a "healthy" person or way to live life. Everyone has "their own truth" or better yet, their own "kink" and the trick is to get with other lost souls like you so you can finally feel "normal". Hunters get together with hunters, vegans with vegans, drag queens with drag queens, potheads with potheads. The new "individuality", the new sense of "belonging". How appropriate she finds it on the internet.

My dog sleeps with me too occasionally, but if you really love this movie, then please take it up with a psychiatrist. And fast.

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I think it's more important that you visit a psychiatrist and try to find a way out of the dull, American, middle-class dysfunction that you are very clearly trapped in.

If you think your posting doesn't display your own heavy emotional baggage and neurosis, get help.

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huh. i'm perplexed by your awesome post here. I totally agree with everything you've written, yet fail to see how you don't love this film. I think Mike White is completely self aware of everything in his film you're describing, and its a scathing critique on the culture and times we exist in. And your right, its totally true that people try to find individuality in labels and groups of equally dysfunctional individuals, hence the proliferation of craigslist groups, meetup.com, AA meetings, fight clubs, and afterschool groups in schools around the world and frequently people use these sometimes obsessions to make potentially flawed connections with other humans. We also live in strange times and these are weird somewhat alien ways to connect, the internet being so new still, etc. But i felt like White felt weird about these things himself and was showing them in a very true and truly weird light. I don't think he was championing hanging out at malls and working meaningless jobs and taking up hobbies to extremes, but people, lots of people, millions of people do these things and thats what i thought the film was about. You know them and i know them and we might even be them. I really thought white was well capturing contemporary middle ground american culture and all the pimples on its @ss.

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Wow, looking at the replies, no one seems to even care to try to understand this movie... Jesus H Christ!

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I LOVED this movie. Mike White is my new hero. I can't believe he got it SO RIGHT. I am this women! (besides that fact that I have a husband and kid) It is so true the way society treats the over 40 single women with no kids. She was the doormat who's life was not as important as everyone else's. The christmas card not on the refrigerator was right on. That said it all. I wanted to stand up and cheer in the theater when she quit her gross corporate deadend job to actually go do something meaning full in the world. I so understand sitting in the cubicle looking up animal rights websites and feeling trapped to not doing anything about it. I can't believe a movie like this is out there. Everyone should see it. She was definately not a selfish character just because she did not fit in with the "normal" average population out there. She was exceptional, because she let herself become educated about the aweful cruely our society puts on our animal friends.
"You can judge a society by how they treat their animals." Gandi

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Haha, I think you have to admit that to an extent towards the end, she did get selfis. She DID steal hundreds of dollars from her boss, ruin her sister-in-law's fur coats.. which was hilarious, and kind of go too far in brainwashing the little girl.... which I loved, so cute, and so something I would do, but maybe not bring them to a slaughterhouse...... heh.

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So what if her character is selfish and had flaws and was pathetic - she was supposed to be a human being! I never met any human being who was perfect and had their head screwed on completely right. And it's only natural that her character might have been a misanthrope when it came to other humans - humans, after all, are the predators of the animals she cared so much about.

The people above me who like the movie and cared to explicate its theme continually hit the nail right on the head. It's about individuality, what's supposedly a "normal" way to act in society and her finding her own truth - as well as her love. Her ability to love animals unconditionally was touching and realistic, I know if I could take home 15 dogs I would - it's not selfish for her not to share that love with people if she doesn't know how and/or can't find anyone to properly reciprocate it. As the movie clearly slows, she tried not once but twice for a potential relationship opportunity, and the first dude was an ignorant, emotionally stunted hick and the second was celibate for no obvious reason. This, obviously, only pushed her further into herself and her love for animals.

************ BIG SPOILER ************** Sure, I'm glad she didn't kill the guy, but he certainly deserved that feeling of what it felt like to be hunted, in my opinion and those like me who concur that it is amoral, horrible and just plain atrocious to kill another life just for the pleasure of killing. By the time the movie reached this point, it was a very satisfying climax.

Anyone who can see this and completely dismiss it either has little capacity for empathy for other human beings and/or indeed, like someone above said, need to stick to fare like Nacho Libre.

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I'm sorry, but you can be as verbose as you wish in your reviews of this movie it doesn't change the fact that this film was a total pile of crap.

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wow, you sure proved your point. i'm convinced! it DID suck! what was i thinking... James, wanna get together and watch Chuck and Larry with me? i hear its tight!

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All of you who keep putting down Nacho Libre do realize Mike White also (co)wrote that, right? so...

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well spoken my friend!! I love this film!

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So...yeah, I enjoyed the movie...but I have to say, Peggy was a little pathetic. All she needed was to get laid. Thank you very much, bye!

"What are you looking at? Wipe that face off your head, bitch."

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Nice analysis. But to me, the movie is pure propaganda for PETA. The office workers, brother and sis in law, the boss, are all made to look like idiots. Peggy becomes the only one with "principle".

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I disagree there, Courtjes. The boss to me seemed absolutely justified in his anger at her use of office time, his defense of life-saving animal testing, and firing her for theft and betrayal of trust. Likewise Pier and his wife seemed normal in questioning Peggy's sudden adoption of veganism and in their desire to protect their daughter from brutal concepts she wasn't old enough for. Who wouldn't be livid about the disappearance of what looked to possibly be thousands of dollars of fur? Peggy's best friend is critical but it is simply because she sees animals as being the barrier to Peggy's social life rather than understanding they are the symptom, not the cause, of her limited social graces. Peggy's actions seemed very much critical of PETA's members/tactics. Peggy joins the movement at first largely because of a guy, not a deep philosophical awakening. She adopts veganism based on one biased book. She parrots the content of animal rights websites and self-righteously tells her family eating meat is "still murder" a week into her veganism. She considers taking a small child to see chickens slaughtered. She brings a dozen animals to her home with disregard to her neighbors or the happiness of the animals themselves. She cannot accept that Valentine who attacks her and other dogs simply cannot be saved. She attempts murder because she left Pencil run off and he trespassed and chewed on a bag of slug poison.

While I certainly find Peggy's values admirable and defensible, her journey to me isn't supposed to be about animal rights but a marginalized, shy, depressed woman finding she could use her peculiar personality and interests to help equally voiceless animals. Peggy is happier in the end having found people to understand her and share her passion but her road to that point is full of stupid, horrible mistakes, hypocrisy, and many of the textbook contradictions that people faut PETA for as well. Peggy is clearly not a hero any more than any other is a villain.

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Peggy is happier in the end having found people to understand her and share her passion but her road to that point is full of stupid, horrible mistakes, hypocrisy, and many of the textbook contradictions that people faut PETA for as well. Peggy is clearly not a hero any more than any other is a villain.


You say this as though you 'missed' Peggy's self-realization after the tub-soaked furs and misguided trip to the animal sanctuary.

But White makes sure that you see that happen.

You list a bunch of behaviours to suggest that Peggy is just 'jumping on the bandwagon' without taking into account the entirety of the film and her obvious realization of the 'unhealthiness' of some of her behaviours. Without that, it would be SO easy to just completely dismiss her ~ but the film is more nuanced than that, and we get to see Peggy 'get' how unhealthy some of her acts were (particularly the trip to the animal farm with her niece).

So, we see Peggy's recognition of her 'inappropriateness' and her reconciling of that. As such, one can't as easily dismiss her ultimate fate/actions........because she's chosen it AFTER recognizing some of the 'unhealthiness' of her previous actions.

Without that, this film would have been extremely one-dimensional (and probably forgettable), but with it, it becomes something far more layered than some people acknowledge.

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This movie portrays acuratelly the tons of misguided people who immerse themselves in the "Ain't it awful" syndrome. Let's all get together and talk about how bad things are and how cruel the world is and how immoral people are.
This was a movie about a depressed, unhappy woman who lost herself and her mind.
And by the way, she should have kept her dog indoors to avoid his ultimate death if she cared so much.
Not sure why it was written or made for that matter. I though the bad direction was the problem, but the ending was conflicting. This movie has nothing to do with dog lovers (I am one!).
It shows how easy it is to go nuts in our society and transfer our attention to something other than ourselves when we can't deal with our own miserable predicament.
And it confirms how PETA extremists have their priorities all wrong and will commit crimes to avoid what cannot be avoided: The laws of nature ...









"I could vomit just looking at you"

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"she had no obvious charisma with any of the dogs." -- That's the funniest and stupidest thing I've read in a while.

"I'm aroused and confused."

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This movie had nothing to do with PETA.
it was about love and all the ways you can live it.

I'm not really like that... except when I am.

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Yeah, about love, stealing, killing and so on.
Come on, people...

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I really enjoyed this film and really identified with the lead Molly Shannon. I myself are better with animals then people and felt much compassion with her plight.

I would love to know one thing: For those who hated this film How many ever had and loved a pet?

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