I think so afterall just because they were lost in "9/11" makes it no worse then anyone else losing there family which some in real life have been able to get over too.
Yeah, but if I don't kill you, what is there to talk about?
All at the same time, for no reason, in the same city he was in, where he saw the planes hit on tv. I'm sure the money given to the 9-11 widows also aided heavily in enabling his anti social problem. If he hadn't gotten that, perhaps that would be some incentive to continue with his work, and not go into this shell.
Edit: And losing a loved one is not something you get over. You never get over it, you live with it however you can.
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are you serious, the character lost his wife and 3 children, that would drive most men to the brink of, if not total insanity regardless of how or where they were killed.I think this film is more about a man dealing with unimaginable loss than 9/11 itself
shareThe reason why I think he is a "wimp", is possiably cause he thinks it's "worse" just because they were lost in "the 9/11" .
Yeah, but if I don't kill you, what is there to talk about?
dude, how about fully watching the movie, hes like that because 1. the last thing he did with his wife was yell at her, which is why he drinks rootbeer, and is always remodeling the kitchen.
2. he lost everything, he only has himself, he paretns died, his aunt died, and his family died. he didnt go insane because of his family dying, he went insane because everyone would ask him questions about it, and he couldnt take it.
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I guess I didn't catch the fact his parents died too...
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That is the most heartless thing I have ever heard.. do you realize that not only did he lose his entire family in one instant but he SAW it happen. He WATCHED it on tv in the airport. Death in itself is a tragedy that one will never get over.. but to actually see your family taken from you in such a violent manner - I'm sure you would be just as devastated as he is.
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Don't judge things that you can't possibly understand.
I disagree. He never mentioned that they were lost in 9/11, he just said they died in a plane crash. As far as I know we didn't know for a fact that they were lost in 9/11 until Don Cheadle's character spoke about it to Liv Tyler's character. Sandler didn't focus on his family being killed in 9/11, he just focused on the fact they were dead. Everyone else used 9/11 as a point of interest. I wish they would have left the whole 9/11 reference out just because of discussions like this one here.
No, I don't think he is a wimp at all. The movie states that he had lost his family two years prior. I have a husband and two children and if I lost them I would have lost everything and would most likely never recover. No one wants to imagine losing one member of their family much less their spouse and all their children in one fell swoop. When a person loses one family member the first thing a friend will say is that they have to stay strong for their remaining children/spouse but if they lose them all what else do you have? It is easy to say that the person has to be strong for themselves but when the people who made you what and who you are: a mom, wife, husband, father, are gone who do you become then?
Let me guess---the original poster is a teen or twenty-something, American, male.
How'd I do? ;)
Angledavis, the majority of people on this site are probably American males. Congratulations.
Your psychic powers aside, here's what gets me: You are clearly associating a poster's intelligence and opinion with his nationality. If you had said "Mexican" instead of "American" that post would have been deleted immediately. Why is it so socially acceptable to be racist against Americans?
How can one be racist to a nationality? American is not a race....it is actually a conglomeration of races.
Actually, the majority of people on this site are not American, this is a UK-based site.
*Here's to you Shaver...may you be looking down on us laughing*
Let me guess---the original poster is a teen or twenty-something, American, male.
Fear,
1. What makes you think that the movie is saying that losing your family in the 9/11 attacks is any worse than losing your family some other way? I never got that impression at all. IMO, the movie could have worked whether 9/11 was the backdrop or not.
2. How is someone freaking out after losing their entire family in one moment a wimp? Yes, some people have been through worse and made it through in better condition. Some people manage to handle unbelievable tragedies better than others. So what? Do you really think he is a wimp or are you just trolling? Do you honestly believe that someone who freaks out by his family getting murdered is a wimp?
I mean, if it makes you feel better, I guess you could assume that the character was genetically vunerable to mental instability and this event pushed him over the edge, but regardless, I'm still not ready to call him a wimp.
Here's an analogy: We go into the same combat zone and as we are fighting, we both watch our commanding officer get his head blow off. If I come home shell shocked and you come home relatively stable, does that make me a wimp?
Because if so, I guess we have a lot of wimps returning from war zones.
When was it stated, or even inferred (sp?), that he thought it was worse because it was 9/11? I just watched the movie, and I dont remember that part. IMO, he would have had the same reaction had they been killed in a car accident or something. People just deal with grief differently.
And speaking as someone who DID lose two beloved family members on 9/11, I can tell you that I saw all sorts of different ways of dealing with it just within my own family. Some dealt with it in almost the same way as depicted in the movie. Some got angry (myself). Some were in denial for a long time. Some shut down and wouldnt talk about it. 7 years later, we are each still dealing with it in our own way. IMO, theres no right or wrong way to mourn.
But thats just me.
lol Once AGAIN, no one seems to understand the point of my post. First of all it never says anywhere in the movie that anyone who lost there family in "9/11 that it is worse" the someone who didn't. Jst like I said NOWHERE in this topic that it did or even tryed to say it did in ANYWAY. I think you need to go back and actually read my posts there "brilliant minds" and not make up my posts .
And Once AGAIN (AGAIN!!!) my main point is that since it's using 9/11 as a a backdrop about a man losing his family and YES the extreme truma that follows that possiably the "tone" NOT the movie suggests that it is far worse since it was "9/11" and NOT a car crash or a non-related plane crash.
And man "igby571" you ether simply STUPID or just plain a real troll since I NEVER go in to anything or suggest whatever the hell your saying ANYWHERE at all.
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Speaking for myself, I do understand your point. i just do not agree, and that seems to be what is upsetting you. You seem to think that the tone of the movie suggests it is worse because it is 9/11. We get it. I, and many others, do not see it that way, just as I am sure there are plenty of people who do agree with you. It happens. Just move along.
I know that you are going to reply to this saying that we dont understand your point. So, I am asking you...what SPECIFIC parts in the movie makes you feel the way you do? You say its "the tone". Okay, fine. SPECIFICALLY, where in the movie does the tone reflect this?
Let me simply say the basic line "he lost everything in 9/11" by Don Cheadle that was used in the trailer alot. I mean I bet a billion dollers they only used "9/11" cuase it would NO DOUBT get a huge response from people rather then a made up "plane crash" that should be a obvious fact.
And I'm glad people (who may NOT understand my point fully) still happen to post with a "open mind".
Like that callous on your heart dropped place where it stood.
Well, I barely remember the trailer, so I cannot speak for that. I do remember seeing it, and I remember hearing it once, but I cannot say if it was used a lot or not.
However, the way I see it...you are right, they COULD have changed it to something like "he lost everything from that drunk driver", or some other set of tragic circumstances. It would not have changed the film at all; IMO, it would have the same emoitonal impact. The way I figure it, and this is pure speculation on my part... everyone, of a certain age, knows about 9/11. So, with this knowledge, the movie does not have to go in a lot of detail as to exactly what happened. By simply mentioning that they were on one of the planes out of Boston, there is no other explanation needed. We know what happened. So they can just go right into the "meat" of the film, which is this poor man mourning the loss of his family, no matter what the circumstances were.
But thats just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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But because he may (and the movie I think advocates) that it was "worse" that they were lost in 9/11 making him in far worse "suffering" then someone who would have the same thing but NOT in 9/11.
Shup up...Seriously...Shut up
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Unbelievable. We get it. You're so much smarter then all of us and on just such a higher plain of intelligence that us peons just aren't capable of understanding you're poorly constructed point that contributes little to nothing into a discussion of this film.
Seriously, give it up. The fact that he WATCHED his family die on NATIONAL television DOES make it worse then if his family had died in a car accident. How you don't see this is absolutely astounding. It's horrible enough to lose your entire family, but to watch as it happened in one of the most pointless and senseless acts of human depravity in history makes it worse.
If you cannot grasp that simple idea, then it is you, and not us, who doesn't understand.
The film isn't necessarily making a point about how he watched the plane on TV and how that makes the loss of his family harder to handle. I'm sure the In-laws watched the TV sometime that day and had to endure the same thing. I think it is merely showing a man that has lost everything in a very traumatic event and his reaction to it. The In-laws went through the same event and did not react the same way - possibly re-inforcing in Fear's mind that Sandler's character is a wimp. This is not the case, it is simply his reaction to the whole situation. Some people can't handle it, others can. PTSD is real just like any other mental illness. Some people have it, others don't.
shareI watched this merely because it was about a man dealing with the loss of his entire family. I was intrigued by it, being on 9/11 didn't make me want to watch it more or less. In honesty, your right about 9/11 being a backdrop. I felt that detail was completely irrelevant to the story itself. Because yes, he lost his family in the plane crash...but the movie doesn't revolve around the accident, it revolves around him dealing with it. I did not get any kind of implication that his family dying on 9/11 is worse than dying any other way because like you said 9/11 was a backdrop.
and even IF your post made sense....how does anything you say justify him being a WIMP? thats incredibly insensitive.
All I know, is that if I saw my fiancee & my child die in a horrible accident, much less a national tragedy broadcast over & over again on CNN, I most likely wouldn't be around to mourn it, and if I was I would be in worse shape than Sandler's character.
The scene where he actually talks about losing his family w/ Cheadle, subsequently goes home, gets drunk & tries to "Suicide-by-cop", I don't doubt anyone would want to give up after that.
Could you possibly get more insensitive? He lost the 4 most important people in his life, basically in front of his own eyes.
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Please stop with the childish hatred against me.
Dark Knight is the worst movie ever. The villain died before it even came out.
We responded to your topic. If you don't want a response, don't start a thread. Pretty simple.
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I can't say I agree with you Fear. Before I watched the film, I had the misconception that they would milk the 9/11 aspect as a cheap trick to sell tickets. But I feel that they downplayed 9/11 if anything. They could have easily centered the plot more on 9/11, but they didn't. It was completely character driven. Honestly, I can't remember the characters even mentioning it in detail. I think Cheadle even refers to it as a "plane crash" in most instances. And does Sandler even mention it at all? Maybe once if at all.
And I don't see how you have come to the conclusion that Sandler's character thinks his position is worse because his family died on 9/11. What does he say that gives you this idea? Also, if you have ever grieved or lost someone you would know that when you are in that position, many times it feels as if you are the only person in that much pain. It can be a somewhat self-centering experience. I can't imagine how much this feeling would be amplified if you had no one to console you or to confide in. In Sandler's case he has literally no support system because he has lost everyone. I think that was the main purpose of this film. To show how we need people's help to get through these types of situations. That grieving alone is not cathartic. We need to reach out and seek help from other people because often times we can't do it on our own. If you can look at a character like Sandler's and think of him as a wimp and nothing else, then I honestly feel sorry for you.
From your assessment it seems you've only seen the trailer...
LOL at referring to the trailer.